Coronavirus (2021) thread

[roubaixtuesday]

Oh yeah. I was just thinking about the mechanism of becoming immune rather than all of the extra stuff that might go with it.

On that point, I think the consensus is that vaccination gives stronger immunity than infection, the 2nd dose not having an infection equivalent.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Isn’t the problem with that that even the double jabbed will get infected, and so will appear on both lines?

Yes, it's a simplification - some infected will also get reinfected - but nevertheless meaningful.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Yeah I've thought that when they are trying to calculate the percentage for herd immunity. how to calculate the cross over.

but I guess they will need to go with the ONS's antibody studies for that to be accurate.

I don't think there is such as thing as a straightforward percentage for herd immunity, it's not a simple black or white thing. What is certain is that the more people with some immunity, however acquired, the less the virus will grow.

For instance, the modelling showing winter peaks coming is at least partially driven by assumptions of waning immunity in people earlier vaccinated or infected. No-one really knows how significant an effect that is.

 

[Ric]

Not a great advert for the AZ vaccine: all five of us in our family have got the virus despite me and my wife being double jabbed months ago. My and my son are really very ill too. The other three are just starting.

Hope you all feel better soon mate. On the flip side, I've had the Moderna vaccine and my partner had Pfizer (both double jabbed), and so far we've managed to avoid contracting the virus from our son (fingers crossed). Not much consolation to you admittedly, but hopefully a sign that the vaccines can help reduce transmission.

 

[west didsblue]

Not a great advert for the AZ vaccine: all five of us in our family have got the virus despite me and my wife being double jabbed months ago. My and my son are really very ill too. The other three are just starting.

Hope you're all ok and it doesn't get any worse. Hopefully the jabs have kept it to the level it's at and have prevented it from being even worse.

 

[west didsblue]

I remember reading last year that blood type may well be a factor in people's susceptibility to catching it. Is anyone aware whether further research has borne this out or is it another red herring?
The view was that people with blood type O were less susceptible to catching it or being ill if they did.

 

[metalblue]

Not a great advert for the AZ vaccine: all five of us in our family have got the virus despite me and my wife being double jabbed months ago. My and my son are really very ill too. The other three are just starting.

Hope you all get better soon mate.

If it’s any consolation I have both AZ jabs and got it (unwell for about 3 days, now just have a grotty cold and annoying cough), Mrs MB had both Pfizer jabs and has got it a lot worse than me (still quite unwell a week later). Miss MB unjabbed as too young had it but felt grotty for a day or two and that was it.

I don’t think any of the jabs significantly outperform any of the others, lots of other things that decide if - and how bad - you get it.

 

[bluesteel]

This is not true.

If you say so.

For everyone else as I don’t have time to reply individually, I’ll just leave this here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

You can’t buy time.

Look, I saw all this coming a long before most, I even posted here (link below) back on 12th Feb 2020 how bad was going to be (I was vocal weeks before to my friends and family) I was called a “plank” then.

https://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/threads/covid-19-—-coronavirus.344314/page-87#post-12434964

For most people vaccination is the probably correct course of action. But partly because I am the oldest or the same age in my social circles (family abroad), partly due to me already having covid with no symptoms, partly due to the lack of known side effects to due time cause by the speed of getting this out, I don’t consider it worth the risk to me or those around me.

I’d rather carry on isolating in my circles when I want to, stay away from the footy, bars and the office and keep sanitising.

Theoretically, if someone told me they had a time machine and no side effects would come from the vaccine, or that the vaccine will not cause future issues I’d take it tomorrow, but they can’t so I’m not. If things get worse for the unvaccinated I’ll reconsider but the numbers I’m seeing (in deaths per vaccinated be unvaccinated as a %) aren’t making me.

This long message because I responded to someone about being hesitant!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

If Covid is what makes the NHS stop doing surgery and being overrun it must have been around a lot longer than 18 months…..

It’s very rare for the NHS to stop doing elective procedures, system wide. I can’t remember it ever happening before Covid 19.

As I have pointed out before, going into the pandemic with 75k vacancies is putting a big strain on the NHS but it’s coped (just about) with big vacancies and an unhealthy population before.

Abandoning all mask wearing, social distancing etc in public spaces to satisfy the weirdo alliance as cases are spiralling could be a bit more than the straw that breaks the camels back. That said, the Government were elected so have the right to make that call.

 

[bluesteel]

I remember reading last year that blood type may well be a factor in people's susceptibility to catching it. Is anyone aware whether further research has borne this out or is it another red herring?
The view was that people with blood type O were less susceptible to catching it or being ill if they did.

Not that I’m aware of, it was early data that came out of China if was the same thing I read though.