Coronavirus (2021) thread

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Healdplace said:
Would love to believe New Zealand can truly 'eliminate' Covid but it seems a trick that will be all but impossible if they ever want to fully open up to the world. Because a country that has almost no immunity from T Cells etc from a population that has largely caught it will always be vulnerable to the next variant of concern arriving on its shores unless it seals off indefinitely.

Of course, if anyone can do it New Zealand would be it. A tiny island nation effectively out of reach by most other places unless you intend to be going there.

Will be interesting to see how it pans out for them and I hope her confidence is justified as any way out of this mess that is proven to work - even if unlikely to translate to most other nations on our crowded planet - will tell us useful things about what to do the next time we get something like Covid only much worse.

You can bet terrorists have already seen the way economies can be brought to their knees with a virus in a far more terrifying manner than with guns.
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New Zealand is approximately the same size as the U.K, with demographic and geographical advantages. Of course they have big challenges ahead so does Israel and the U.K, who were at the forefront of the vaccine roll out.

New Zealand needs to ramp up vaccine roll out but it’s always more difficult to create urgency when there are very few cases. At least medicine and science has advanced over the last 20 months.

Btw, If I was living in New Zealand I wouldn’t be in a rush to open up borders beyond Australasia. The Kiwis were having a fantastic lifestyle when we were deep in lockdown.
 
One of the things I love about my gym is that I have this sense of community build round people trying to physically (and mentally) better themselves.
Nothing more than friendly nods to the majority, but there's this kinship simmering away nicely.

Mentioned to a guy I often chat to (again, only about 'excercisy' things) that I had long Covid so still can't do any cardio (6 months on). Told him I was double jabbed which then rapidly turns into a 'I'm not anti-vcxx' speech.
PHD in microbiology (or similar - couldn't quite hear as I had one those heart sinking/'ffs' moments.
Natural immunity is far better than the vaccine immunity and I'm not having it as it's 'experimental and the FDA haven't approved 'it' and for a full house 'do your own research' (which one was it he didn't elaborate.
I could do little else than smile and give him the sense that he was on his own in this argument.

This is why I don't bring politics into the gym. I want this as my refuge and the language to be over 'gym stuff' rather than anything else.
 
somapop said:
One of the things I love about my gym is that I have this sense of community build round people trying to physically (and mentally) better themselves.
Nothing more than friendly nods to the majority, but there's this kinship simmering away nicely.

Mentioned to a guy I often chat to (again, only about 'excercisy' things) that I had long Covid so still can't do any cardio (6 months on). Told him I was double jabbed which then rapidly turns into a 'I'm not anti-vcxx' speech.
PHD in microbiology (or similar - couldn't quite hear as I had one those heart sinking/'ffs' moments.
Natural immunity is far better than the vaccine immunity and I'm not having it as it's 'experimental and the FDA haven't approved 'it' and for a full house 'do your own research' (which one was it he didn't elaborate.
I could do little else than smile and give him the sense that he was on his own in this argument.

This is why I don't bring politics into the gym. I want this as my refuge and the language to be over 'gym stuff' rather than anything else.
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So did you ask him out or not?
 
somapop said:
One of the things I love about my gym is that I have this sense of community build round people trying to physically (and mentally) better themselves.
Nothing more than friendly nods to the majority, but there's this kinship simmering away nicely.

Mentioned to a guy I often chat to (again, only about 'excercisy' things) that I had long Covid so still can't do any cardio (6 months on). Told him I was double jabbed which then rapidly turns into a 'I'm not anti-vcxx' speech.
PHD in microbiology (or similar - couldn't quite hear as I had one those heart sinking/'ffs' moments.
Natural immunity is far better than the vaccine immunity and I'm not having it as it's 'experimental and the FDA haven't approved 'it' and for a full house 'do your own research' (which one was it he didn't elaborate.
I could do little else than smile and give him the sense that he was on his own in this argument.

This is why I don't bring politics into the gym. I want this as my refuge and the language to be over 'gym stuff' rather than anything else.
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Lol. Agreed. I witnessed an anti vaxxer banging on about how great it was to be back in the gym at the same as pretty much calling anyone who was vaccinated an idiot. Guy just shot him down with, you do realise it's us vaccinated idiots who have allowed this gym to reopen. You dumb fuck.
 
When one of these selfish wankers dies you can all come on here and dance round the fire.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
There’s an awful lot of that going on and, furthermore, it has been going on since the start of this outbreak.
You’d think there would be some clear evidence of what works and what doesn’t by now as well as an understanding of the costs/benefits of any and all measures.
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Do you think that it is still experimental?

We know that complete lock down works but other than that different theories from the scientific experts seem to be selected by our decision makers to try out.

What happened to safety first?
 
SilverFox2 said:
Do you think that it is still experimental?

We know that complete lock down works but other than that different theories from the scientific experts seem to be selected by our decision makers to try out.

What happened to safety first?
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Safety has a cost. What cost are you willing to pay?

We could have 10mph speed limits and almost every accident would be survivable, even car vs pedestrian. That’d be safer, but we don’t do it.

Why not?

This virus has shutdown entire economies, and with the world on its back economically, who is going to pay for all the shit that needs doing to regenerate those economies?

Accordingly, we know certain things allow us to move forward with minimal risks: Vaccines, masks, and social distancing.

Lets do as much of those as we can until this virus runs out of steam. If things track as they have in the past, we should be back to normal by Summer 2022.
 
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ChicagoBlue said:
Safety has a cost. What cost are you willing to pay?

We could have 10mph speed limits and almost every accident would be survivable, even car vs pedestrian. That’s be safer, but we don’t do it.

Why not?

This virus has shutdown entire economies, and with the world on its back economically, who is going to pay for all the shit that needs doing to regenerate those economies?

Accordingly, we know certain things allow us to move forward with minimal risks: Vaccines, masks, and social distancing.

Lets do as much of those as we can until this virus runs out of steam. If things track as they have in the past, we should be back to normal by Summer 2022.
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Completely agree, we can’t keep using a blunt instrument of lockdowns when there are now vaccines in the armoury. New Zealand going for the zero covid approach and not living with covid I think will be damaging long term. This virus needs to be blunted by going through the planets population with as many people as possible vaccinated to limit its effects.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
New Zealand getting a grip of Delta
www.irishtimes.com

New Zealand lifts Covid-19 curbs, says Delta elimination in sight

Restrictions to remain in Auckland, as Ardern continues elimination strategy
www.irishtimes.com www.irishtimes.com
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The problem with that strategy is that, whilst you can live in splendid isolation for a while, if you ever want to open the borders again you have to spend the time getting everyone vaccinated and as well prepared for it as possible. Because Delta (and any other variants) are still out there in the rest of the world and as soon as you open up they will be back in again. I don't get the feeling that they are doing the vaccination piece or anything else particularly systematically - just locking the doors and hoping it all goes away (Spoiler alert: it won't). Hence they are leaving their population woefully unprepared for when they do open the doors again. Unless the plan is to operate their borders like North Korea forever.

People need to get their head round the fact that Covid is never going away. It will eventually become one of the endemic strains of respiratory illnesses that circulate but never really get a foothold due to existing immunity - just as happened to Spanish Flu after 1918/9 (which still circulates to this day, but as just another flu strain like many others). If, however, your population has no immunity then you're going to suffer eventually. Hopefully we are seeing the first signs of this shift in the UK, with high levels of infection but less hospitalisations and deaths than before.
 
Indaparkside said:
Or the fact they are misinformed wankers
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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
It's a lot more about the psychology of not liking being told to do something that actual concerns with the vaccine behind most anti Vax sentiment imho.
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In my experience these people picked a position and look for misinformation to justify it.

The NFL has been enlightening on this. Athletes who shut up and take whatever their team doctor tells them without question, almost certainly have a history of doping, and yet won't take a vaccine even when their team pays for professors, teachers and even creators of the vaccine to come in and educate them about it.
 
Super David Silva 21 said:
October lockdown trending. I don't see any point in another lockdown at all. People who have been jabbed done what they have needed to do to get the protection. Booster jabs if necessary but not another lockdown. Took about five steps forward from May, lets not take 15 back
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I don't see another full lockdown coming under anything but the most extreme circumstances for the simple reason that the government would have to support people financially again and the level of spending that was needed and the resulting increase in the budget deficit during previous lockdowns has terrified them.
 
lancs blue said:
I don't see another full lockdown coming under anything but the most extreme circumstances for the simple reason that the government would have to support people financially again and the level of spending that was needed and the resulting increase in the budget deficit during previous lockdowns has terrified them.
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Half the twats on this thread are willing another lockdown. It's absolutely mental.

I've stayed off this thread for a few weeks but bugger me...what a dumpster fire of paranoia it is now.
 
Super David Silva 21 said:
October lockdown trending. I don't see any point in another lockdown at all. People who have been jabbed done what they have needed to do to get the protection. Booster jabs if necessary but not another lockdown. Took about five steps forward from May, lets not take 15 back
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We know lockdown is the best way to quickly reduce the burden on the NHS and ICU
 
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