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Interesting reading James Ward and a few others stating that giving out boosters too soon could actually be counteractive, and the timing is everything when considering when to roll them out.

On the subject of vaccines, does anyone have any idea if there's any issues with a 14 or so week gap between 1st and 2nd doses? And I don't mean the actual risk in between times, I mean if everything has been OK and a person gets their 2nd jab but for one reason or other it's 14 weeks after their first, I assume it would still have the same effect? Sorry if that's a confusing question, I know the recommended is 8-12 weeks (and shorter in other countries), but just wondering if that's purely related to the risk of contracting covid after one dose but if that doesn't happen is there any issue going forward with a delay on the second? If that makes sense.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Interesting reading James Ward and a few others stating that giving out boosters too soon could actually be counteractive, and the timing is everything when considering when to roll them out.

On the subject of vaccines, does anyone have any idea if there's any issues with a 14 or so week gap between 1st and 2nd doses? And I don't mean the actual risk in between times, I mean if everything has been OK and a person gets their 2nd jab but for one reason or other it's 14 weeks after their first, I assume it would still have the same effect? Sorry if that's a confusing question, I know the recommended is 8-12 weeks (and shorter in other countries), but just wondering if that's purely related to the risk of contracting covid after one dose but if that doesn't happen is there any issue going forward with a delay on the second? If that makes sense.
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Question makes perfect sense, but I'm not sure if there's any hard data beyond 12 weeks or so.

If be very surprised if a couple of weeks makes a big difference, but another three months - no idea.
 

Not a scientific definition.

Marginal compared to what?

Most estimates show multiples more risk from covid than from vaccination to 12-15yos.

It was approved by MHRA in June on the basis of positive risk/ benefit for all children of that age.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Not a scientific definition.

Marginal compared to what?

Most estimates show multiples more risk from covid than from vaccination to 12-15yos.

It was approved by MHRA in June on the basis of positive risk/ benefit for all children of that age.
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there is also onward transmission benefits.

both me and my wife are in the the vulnerable category and immuno suppressed and we have a 14 year old at school.

he doesn’t want to pick it up at school and pass it on to either of us . Even though we are double jabbed it could still be nasty for either of us To catch it

he is keen to have it .
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Not a scientific definition.

Marginal compared to what?

Most estimates show multiples more risk from covid than from vaccination to 12-15yos.

It was approved by MHRA in June on the basis of positive risk/ benefit for all children of that age.
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I haven't read one report saying "multiples" more risk of healthy kids being hospitalised with covid vs vaccinations.
most reports are based on unhealthy kids where there is multiples of risk benefit but in healthy kids the risk is equal or marginally better.
 
blue b4 the moon said:
I'd still believe Alice over her though.

Seriously not just 'pop' stars but people especially with big media followings need to put just a little bit of thought into what's posted online as the 'spark when walking' brigade will believe anything.
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I could be making a wildly unfair assumption here but Nicky Minaj strikes me as someone who has the same critical thought capability as, say, a pet hamster.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Question makes perfect sense, but I'm not sure if there's any hard data beyond 12 weeks or so.

If be very surprised if a couple of weeks makes a big difference, but another three months - no idea.
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Thanks. I didn't think it would be too detrimental if at all. But I became aware yesterday who mentioned their second jab being around that sort of timescale of 14-15 weeks which is why I wondered.
 
WALES DATA

5 deaths - was 3 last week

1924 cases - was 2504 last week

A good drop in cases,

BUT TECH ISSUES MEAN NO OTHER DATA - EG POSITIVITY - CAN YET BE POSTED APPARENTLY.

I THINK THE UK NEEDS A RETHINK ON WHOEVER SUPPLIES ITS DATA TECHNOLOGY AS THIS HAPPENS FAR TOO OFTEN
 
BerkshireBlue said:
I haven't read one report saying "multiples" more risk of healthy kids being hospitalised with covid vs vaccinations.
most reports are based on unhealthy kids where there is multiples of risk benefit but in healthy kids the risk is equal or marginally better.
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eg here - without even taking into account total attack rate, rather just the upcoming in the next few weeks.


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I'd be interested in your sources.
 
BerkshireBlue said:
most reports are based on unhealthy kids where there is multiples of risk benefit but in healthy kids the risk is equal or marginally better.
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And the MHRA approval for all 12=15yos, no just those "unhealthy"

www.gov.uk

The MHRA concludes positive safety profile for Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in 12- to 15-year-olds

This follows a rigorous review of the safety, quality and effectiveness of the vaccine in this age group.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk

The EMA and FDA and several other regulatory agencies have also approved on the same overall risk/benefit basis.

And I think total doses are now into the tens of millions in children worldwide.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
there is also onward transmission benefits.

both me and my wife are in the the vulnerable category and immuno suppressed and we have a 14 year old at school.

he doesn’t want to pick it up at school and pass it on to either of us . Even though we are double jabbed it could still be nasty for either of us To catch it

he is keen to have it .
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Sound like you have brought up a well balanced kid there, they have worked out the non existent risk of COVID to themselves the small risk of rejection to the drug and balanced it out to your high risk ,
 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL DEATHS

This is hopeful news today too after last week's rises.

TUESDAY REMEMBER IS ALWAYS THE BIG CATCH UP DAY BECAUSE OF LACK OF WEEKEND REGISTRATION SO USUALLY THE HIGHEST NUMBER

Today it is:-

142 with 20 North West

Last week was 182 with 21 North West

Week before it was a Bank Holiday so the 24 with 5 was meaningless (it was 196 with 22 the following day - the real catch up number then).

Week before then it was 153 with 16 NW

So today is the lowest number on a Tuesday in a month.
 
ENGLAND HOSPITAL DEATHS MORE DETAIL

BY REGION:-

East 9, London 20, Midlands 24, NE & Yorkshire 41, North West 20, South East 17, South West 11

The highest was 5 in Hull - an area that has been quite high all Summer


NW Trusts: 4 in Salford, 3 in Liverpool, 2 each in Bolton, Lancashire. Pennine Acute (Oldham/Rochdale), Morecambe & Warrington and 1 each in Manchester, Stockport & Wirral.

BY AGE:-

20 - 39 (4), 40 - 59 (13), 60 - 79 (57) & 80 PLUS (68)


SO FAR AFTER A WEEK IN WHICH CASES WERE WELL UP AND HAVE SEEN A BIG RISE IN WEEKLY DEATHS THE NEXT ONE HAS STARTED HAPPILY WELL DOWN ON THERE.

EVERY DAY IN THE PAST 5 DAYS IS DOWN ON THE SAME DAY A WEEK AGO SO FAR.

IT IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE 3 SEPTEMBER - CURRENTLY ON 104 DEATHS - WILL BE THE PEAK OF THIS WAVE - UNLESS NUMBERS START RISING AGAIN,

NO OTHER DATE SO FAR HAS EXCEDED 96
 
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