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Dage said:
That's a false assumption. The narcolepsy was occured days after the jab. There is not a single bad side effect in the history of vaccination that occurred later than 14 days after a jab. It's nonsense. The mRNA is very instabile thus the high requirements for storage. It's disappeared literally in hours from your body. There is no way it can harm with effects after it disappeared. This is not some barely understood technology no matter what you got told.
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Didnt realise that so thanks.
 
daveiw01 said:
...and what if in the future we realise that people vaccinated have increased their chance of cancer or some other disease/problem? Things aren't black and white and the sooner you personally realise that, the better! More people currently die of cancer per day than Covid19.
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sorry but this is what’iffery of the highest order.

What if covid hides in your nerves and resurfaces in a few years and is 100 times worse like chickenpox and shingles? No evidence it does but we can all just make stuff up.

what if covid effects sperm, it’s known that can get into testicles. How do we know it’s not turning babies into lizard people ( a real example of a conspiracy theory )

what if covid effects your brain and isn’t going to cause a massive wave of dementia? We know for a fact it gets into brain matter.

what If covid fucks the heart up and is going to cause a vast surge in heart issues in later life? We know it does scar the heart.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
It’s a shockingly bad way to report something that doesn’t say anything like the ‘story’ pretends it does. Read the actual paper it quotes and then work out what it says. And when you’ve done that, look at this.
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This is part of the mandatory training for Infection Prevention Control and think how many mask wearers do any of those things, let alone all of them.
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I did skim it before posting, the entire article seems to be about public health or as they put it a non-pharmaceutical environment interventions.
It does mention that mask should be right fitting tho. And that n95 are better than standard masks.
 
Something definitely is off. When there's propaganda over education. And there's countries trying to force the vaccine. Something is off.

Bodybuilders are dropping like flies. All since the vaccine. It's steroids. But it's after the vaccine. If you don't take steroids no need to concern yourself. But you should ask what is about this vaccine that doesn't' interact well with steroid abuse and does other vaccines have the same negative interaction?

Although, to be fair, it could just be coincidence. It's their age. But there's also been a history of years with people using steroids reaching a similar age in each year. Without this rise in heart related deaths. Until the vaccine.


I want the vaccine to work. But let's not ignore these correlations.

I want the vaccine to work. But this abuse of power and forced vaccinations doesn't exactly fill you with confidence.
 
My guess is, they continue to workout shortly after a jab instead of being calm and take a few days off to let the body work. It's rather common knowledge that the body can face serious damage if one is doing sports while the body tries to overcome an infection. Steroids also do a lot of damage and fat grow if you can't workout while you're doing a steroid diet so this could be a motivation to start with the workout too early. Just fishing in muddy waters here, though.
 
paulchapo said:
I'm like you I just don't agree with this bullying and apartheid system for those not wanting the jab and I know some on this thread will pile in and say fuck them but it doesn't sit easy with me. I've had all mine including the booster yesterday so I'm not anti vacc by any means. Having the jab doesn't stop me catching it or spreading it but will hopefully stop me ending up six feet under if I do. If that's the case why am I allowed to go to concerns, pubs, on holiday etcetera when I've just as much chance of catching and spreading it as somebody unjabbed who isn't? If it kills them for being unjabbed then that's their look out.

It's the same as bloody lockdowns, this has to stop now. People should have a choice. Feel unsafe? Stay indoors. We can't keep on imposing martial law on civilisation willy nilly. Anyone doubting it's martial law only needs to look at Holland where they are firing live rounds at their citizens. Really? In bloody Holland??? Austria banning sections of its population from actually living a life. What next; internment camps??? I don't like where all this appears to be heading.
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You have nowhere near as much chance of catching and spreading Covid if you’re vaccinated. You can still catch and spread it, but you’re 50-75% less likely to catch it and spread it than an unvaccinated individual. And where the Delta variant is newer than the vaccines (which were developed for the Alpha and Beta variants) and shows greater vaccine breakthrough, the boosters are geared towards this (as future boosters will be for future variants)… as well as the importance of mask wearing at times of spikes.

And lockdowns aren’t about people feeling safe, they're about the NHS - whether the NHS can cope with the amount of patients they are treating, how much the Covid patients numbers are impacting other aspects of the NHS, and if too many people are dying of Covid (and as a result of being denied treatment because of Covid).

For example, say a hospital has 75 ICU beds and 125 Covid patients require an ICU bed, then the hospital has to take space where other aspects of the NHS works to host them. This means other areas of medical treatment are being pushed back… introduce restrictions or lockdowns which mean there’s a smaller spread and number requiring hospitalisation of Covid and you allow the NHS to work more efficiently and effectively.

People have said Covid will be with us forever now so there will be some Winters where we have to introduce some minor restrictions (mandatory mask wearing), there will be some Winters where tighter restrictions may need to come in (no crowds at gigs and footy, work from home) and some Winters where we have to go into lockdown… but there will also be many Winters where we don’t have to introduce anything and we can have a normal year. I don’t think Covid will be with us forever though and we will get enough herd immunity throughout the world through vaccinations and prevention that we eventually get rid of it from being a widespread virus that cripples health services and the economy. Therefore, tackle it now and early, and we’ll be better off in the long run.

We’ve been living through this for long enough now to understand this, surely?
 
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daveiw01 said:
Vaccinated people are in hospital and dying too by the way.

Let me ask you a simple question, do you think it right to force people to take an experimental vaccine? I'll add again, that I've had 2 jabs, so far, but I find it totally unacceptable to force anyone to take it.
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You’d have some ounce of sympathy from me, when it comes to forced vaccination (which I’m against) and lockdowns now we have the vaccine (again I’m now against another), if you stopped using terms like “experimental vaccine” and sentences like “vaccinated people are still dying”.

You are 32 times more likely to die from Covid if you’re not double jabbed. Whatever way you apply that statistic, across society or on an individual level, it’s huge. You’re also significantly less likely to pass Covid on to someone else if you’re double jabbed.

There’s nothing experimental about this vaccine compared to others, it’s been through the same trials and severe reactions to it are actually less likely than a lot of vaccines we’ve had and are part of our daily lives for decades.

The best way to avoid the government being too heavy handed and to avoid a stand off between the population, through rioting, and the police, on behalf of the government, is to take the vaccine and stop being selfish.
 
grunge said:
sorry but this is what’iffery of the highest order.

What if covid hides in your nerves and resurfaces in a few years and is 100 times worse like chickenpox and shingles? No evidence it does but we can all just make stuff up.

what if covid effects sperm, it’s known that can get into testicles. How do we know it’s not turning babies into lizard people ( a real example of a conspiracy theory )

what if covid effects your brain and isn’t going to cause a massive wave of dementia? We know for a fact it gets into brain matter.

what If covid fucks the heart up and is going to cause a vast surge in heart issues in later life? We know it does scar the heart.
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Simply put, we don't know enough about the disease nor the vaccine to be sure either way. We do believe however, that relatively few people die of Covid19, as it stands and we also believe that relatively few people die as a direct result of taking the vaccine, but we don't know what will happen in time, certainly we don't know enough to force someone to take a new drug, against their will.

This discussion is getting us nowhere, we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
Dage said:
My guess is, they continue to workout shortly after a jab instead of being calm and take a few days off to let the body work. It's rather common knowledge that the body can face serious damage if one is doing sports while the body tries to overcome an infection. Steroids also do a lot of damage and fat grow if you can't workout while you're doing a steroid diet so this could be a motivation to start with the workout too early. Just fishing in muddy waters here, though.
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Sorry, but your 'guess' is ridiculous, especially given that you went on about what iffery a few posts up.
 
Octavian said:
You’d have some ounce of sympathy from me, when it comes to forced vaccination (which I’m against) and lockdowns now we have the vaccine (again I’m now against another), if you stopped using terms like “experimental vaccine” and sentences like “vaccinated people are still dying”.

You are 32 times more likely to die from Covid if you’re not double jabbed. Whatever way you apply that statistic, across society or on an individual level, it’s huge. You’re also significantly less likely to pass Covid on to someone else if you’re double jabbed.

There’s nothing experimental about this vaccine compared to others, it’s been through the same trials and severe reactions to it are actually less likely than a lot of vaccines we’ve had and are part of our daily lives for decades.

The best way to avoid the government being too heavy handed and to avoid a stand off between the population, through rioting, and the police, on behalf of the government, is to take the vaccine and stop being selfish.
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Pfizer for example, which I've had 3 times, is officially still in clinical trials til 2023, hence it's experimental. As for them being selfish? Wow.....
 
daveiw01 said:
Pfizer for example, which I've had 3 times, is officially still in clinical trials til 2023, hence it's experimental. As for them being selfish? Wow.....
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As indeed is the Covid itself which keeps changing its structure instead of being a good virus and give us time to finish trials.
 
daveiw01 said:
Just like every other virus eh? Not really sure what your point is here, since we're not being forced to get covid, bit we may be forced to have the vaccine, still in clinical trials.
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Sorry.
My point is it is a moving target so vaccines must change accordingly.
 
daveiw01 said:
Pfizer for example, which I've had 3 times, is officially still in clinical trials til 2023, hence it's experimental. As for them being selfish? Wow.....
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Actually, the Pfizer vaccine is on phase 4 of its trial, which is the phase that is after it’s been approved and in public use and looks at long term effects and is done, as with any other vaccine, for the lifetime that it’s used. It is described here:

Phase 4​

Also known as "postmarketing studies", ongoing monitoring is required after regulatory approval and is critical to informing the ongoing use of the therapy.5 Through such trials, researchers collect additional information about longer-term risks, benefits, and optimal use. These trials often involve thousands of participants and may continue for the lifetime of the drug.
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This is the case for all other vaccines so to say that it’s still in its clinical trials is disingenuous and it’s important to point out that Pfizer’s vaccine is using 20 year old technology, that’s just been adapted for Covid, so it’s not a brand new vaccine that’s come from nowhere.

Pfizer have gone through phases 1, 2, 3 and then had to submit their findings to licensing bodies for approval. Which they did and were accepted. Phase 4 will continue for years to come.

Yes, those who aren’t vaccinated for any reason other than a medical professional telling them not to for health reasons (e.g past blood clots issues), is a selfish prick. Sorry it’s just the truth.
 
Dage said:
That's a false assumption. The narcolepsy was occured days after the jab. There is not a single bad side effect in the history of vaccination that occurred later than 14 days after a jab. It's nonsense. The mRNA is very instabile thus the high requirements for storage. It's disappeared literally in hours from your body. There is no way it can harm with effects after it disappeared. This is not some barely understood technology no matter what you got told.
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I'm pro-vax, but...
Sorry 1 case in 55,000 injections vs the normal 1 case in 100,000 is ridiculously high and can be definately considered causal. Hence why all the safety funds associated with vaccine problems across Europe are paying out to those affected. It simply can't be attributed to any other cause.

Pandemrix narcolepsy – Narcolepsy UK

www.narcolepsy.org.uk www.narcolepsy.org.uk

www.statnews.com

A stubborn medical mystery: Was pandemic flu vaccine tied to an increase in narcolepsy cases?

Scientists have been trying to understand why some countries saw a rise in narcolepsy cases — and whether the spike was tied to the 2009 influenza pandemic.
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The vaccine was not trialled well at all and is one of the reasons why vaccine trials are now so rigorous.
 
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Octavian said:
Actually, the Pfizer vaccine is on phase 4 of its trial, which is the phase that is after it’s been approved and in public use and looks at long term effects and is done, as with any other vaccine, for the lifetime that it’s used. It is described here:

This is the case for all other vaccines so to say that it’s still in its clinical trials is disingenuous and it’s important to point out that Pfizer’s vaccine is using 20 year old technology, that’s just been adapted for Covid, so it’s not a brand new vaccine that’s come from nowhere.

Pfizer have gone through phases 1, 2, 3 and then had to submit their findings to licensing bodies for approval. Which they did and were accepted. Phase 4 will continue for years to come.

Yes, those who aren’t vaccinated for any reason other than a medical professional telling them not to for health reasons (e.g past blood clots issues), is a selfish prick. Sorry it’s just the truth.
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Thank you for taking the time to post a detailed, reasoned reply, for the most part.

I still strongly disagree with the 'selfish' part, they are entitled to their choices where their bodies are concerned and that is not up for debate in my book, nor should it ever be, in a civilised society.

We're taking the first steps down a very slippery slope.
 
Octavian said:
You’d have some ounce of sympathy from me, when it comes to forced vaccination (which I’m against) and lockdowns now we have the vaccine (again I’m now against another), if you stopped using terms like “experimental vaccine” and sentences like “vaccinated people are still dying”.

You are 32 times more likely to die from Covid if you’re not double jabbed. Whatever way you apply that statistic, across society or on an individual level, it’s huge. You’re also significantly less likely to pass Covid on to someone else if you’re double jabbed.

There’s nothing experimental about this vaccine compared to others, it’s been through the same trials and severe reactions to it are actually less likely than a lot of vaccines we’ve had and are part of our daily lives for decades.

The best way to avoid the government being too heavy handed and to avoid a stand off between the population, through rioting, and the police, on behalf of the government, is to take the vaccine and stop being selfish.
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Whilst I agree it is a person's choice to have or not have a vaccine. Someone who doesn't have it during a pandemic must accept that restrictions will have to apply to their lives till at least the end of the pandemic. Working in heath and care facilities for example.
The fact that most have also refused to ware masks when mandated says it all about their selfish nature.
Bottom line: The "Right to life" trumps the "Right to infect anyone I meet"
 
daveiw01 said:
Pfizer for example, which I've had 3 times, is officially still in clinical trials til 2023, hence it's experimental. As for them being selfish? Wow.....
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This is utter bollox. Most drugs are still in clinical trials, even when approved for many years.
 
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