Coronavirus (2021) thread

[daveiw01]

My guess is, they continue to workout shortly after a jab instead of being calm and take a few days off to let the body work. It's rather common knowledge that the body can face serious damage if one is doing sports while the body tries to overcome an infection. Steroids also do a lot of damage and fat grow if you can't workout while you're doing a steroid diet so this could be a motivation to start with the workout too early. Just fishing in muddy waters here, though.

Sorry, but your 'guess' is ridiculous, especially given that you went on about what iffery a few posts up.

 

[daveiw01]

You’d have some ounce of sympathy from me, when it comes to forced vaccination (which I’m against) and lockdowns now we have the vaccine (again I’m now against another), if you stopped using terms like “experimental vaccine” and sentences like “vaccinated people are still dying”.

You are 32 times more likely to die from Covid if you’re not double jabbed. Whatever way you apply that statistic, across society or on an individual level, it’s huge. You’re also significantly less likely to pass Covid on to someone else if you’re double jabbed.

There’s nothing experimental about this vaccine compared to others, it’s been through the same trials and severe reactions to it are actually less likely than a lot of vaccines we’ve had and are part of our daily lives for decades.

The best way to avoid the government being too heavy handed and to avoid a stand off between the population, through rioting, and the police, on behalf of the government, is to take the vaccine and stop being selfish.

Pfizer for example, which I've had 3 times, is officially still in clinical trials til 2023, hence it's experimental. As for them being selfish? Wow.....

 

[SilverFox2]

Pfizer for example, which I've had 3 times, is officially still in clinical trials til 2023, hence it's experimental. As for them being selfish? Wow.....

As indeed is the Covid itself which keeps changing its structure instead of being a good virus and give us time to finish trials.

 

[daveiw01]

As indeed is the Covid itself which keeps changing its structure instead of being a good virus and give us time to finish trials.

Just like every other virus eh? Not really sure what your point is here, since we're not being forced to get covid, bit we may be forced to have the vaccine, still in clinical trials.

 

[SilverFox2]

Just like every other virus eh? Not really sure what your point is here, since we're not being forced to get covid, bit we may be forced to have the vaccine, still in clinical trials.

Sorry.
My point is it is a moving target so vaccines must change accordingly.

 

[Octavian]

Pfizer for example, which I've had 3 times, is officially still in clinical trials til 2023, hence it's experimental. As for them being selfish? Wow.....

Actually, the Pfizer vaccine is on phase 4 of its trial, which is the phase that is after it’s been approved and in public use and looks at long term effects and is done, as with any other vaccine, for the lifetime that it’s used. It is described here:

Phase 4​

Also known as "postmarketing studies", ongoing monitoring is required after regulatory approval and is critical to informing the ongoing use of the therapy.5 Through such trials, researchers collect additional information about longer-term risks, benefits, and optimal use. These trials often involve thousands of participants and may continue for the lifetime of the drug.

This is the case for all other vaccines so to say that it’s still in its clinical trials is disingenuous and it’s important to point out that Pfizer’s vaccine is using 20 year old technology, that’s just been adapted for Covid, so it’s not a brand new vaccine that’s come from nowhere.

Pfizer have gone through phases 1, 2, 3 and then had to submit their findings to licensing bodies for approval. Which they did and were accepted. Phase 4 will continue for years to come.

Yes, those who aren’t vaccinated for any reason other than a medical professional telling them not to for health reasons (e.g past blood clots issues), is a selfish prick. Sorry it’s just the truth.

 

[BlueAnorak]

That's a false assumption. The narcolepsy was occured days after the jab. There is not a single bad side effect in the history of vaccination that occurred later than 14 days after a jab. It's nonsense. The mRNA is very instabile thus the high requirements for storage. It's disappeared literally in hours from your body. There is no way it can harm with effects after it disappeared. This is not some barely understood technology no matter what you got told.

I'm pro-vax, but...
Sorry 1 case in 55,000 injections vs the normal 1 case in 100,000 is ridiculously high and can be definately considered causal. Hence why all the safety funds associated with vaccine problems across Europe are paying out to those affected. It simply can't be attributed to any other cause.

Pandemrix narcolepsy – Narcolepsy UK

www.narcolepsy.org.uk

A stubborn medical mystery: Was pandemic flu vaccine tied to an increase in narcolepsy cases?

Scientists have been trying to understand why some countries saw a rise in narcolepsy cases — and whether the spike was tied to the 2009 influenza pandemic.

www.statnews.com

The vaccine was not trialled well at all and is one of the reasons why vaccine trials are now so rigorous.

 

[daveiw01]

Actually, the Pfizer vaccine is on phase 4 of its trial, which is the phase that is after it’s been approved and in public use and looks at long term effects and is done, as with any other vaccine, for the lifetime that it’s used. It is described here:

This is the case for all other vaccines so to say that it’s still in its clinical trials is disingenuous and it’s important to point out that Pfizer’s vaccine is using 20 year old technology, that’s just been adapted for Covid, so it’s not a brand new vaccine that’s come from nowhere.

Pfizer have gone through phases 1, 2, 3 and then had to submit their findings to licensing bodies for approval. Which they did and were accepted. Phase 4 will continue for years to come.

Yes, those who aren’t vaccinated for any reason other than a medical professional telling them not to for health reasons (e.g past blood clots issues), is a selfish prick. Sorry it’s just the truth.

Thank you for taking the time to post a detailed, reasoned reply, for the most part.

I still strongly disagree with the 'selfish' part, they are entitled to their choices where their bodies are concerned and that is not up for debate in my book, nor should it ever be, in a civilised society.

We're taking the first steps down a very slippery slope.

 

[BlueAnorak]

You’d have some ounce of sympathy from me, when it comes to forced vaccination (which I’m against) and lockdowns now we have the vaccine (again I’m now against another), if you stopped using terms like “experimental vaccine” and sentences like “vaccinated people are still dying”.

You are 32 times more likely to die from Covid if you’re not double jabbed. Whatever way you apply that statistic, across society or on an individual level, it’s huge. You’re also significantly less likely to pass Covid on to someone else if you’re double jabbed.

There’s nothing experimental about this vaccine compared to others, it’s been through the same trials and severe reactions to it are actually less likely than a lot of vaccines we’ve had and are part of our daily lives for decades.

The best way to avoid the government being too heavy handed and to avoid a stand off between the population, through rioting, and the police, on behalf of the government, is to take the vaccine and stop being selfish.

Whilst I agree it is a person's choice to have or not have a vaccine. Someone who doesn't have it during a pandemic must accept that restrictions will have to apply to their lives till at least the end of the pandemic. Working in heath and care facilities for example.
The fact that most have also refused to ware masks when mandated says it all about their selfish nature.
Bottom line: The "Right to life" trumps the "Right to infect anyone I meet"

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Pfizer for example, which I've had 3 times, is officially still in clinical trials til 2023, hence it's experimental. As for them being selfish? Wow.....

This is utter bollox. Most drugs are still in clinical trials, even when approved for many years.