Coronavirus (2021) thread

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youngbob said:
Well, ignoring the principles of the thing for a second, this will absolutely set off riots and create further division in Germany. It'll be a fun few days for news crews and police forces there.

But coming back to the principles of the thing, it's scary to create what is essentially now a two-tiered society in Germany, especially along lines that concern peoples' private medical information. If someone has made the choice not to get the vaccine, they should have the right to make that choice without their freedoms being limited, especially when 70% of Germany's adult population are already vaccinated. If someone doesn't want to get vaccinated, I'll be disappointed with them, but (especially in western and central Europe) there are enough people jabbed now that we can pick up the slack for those who didn't want to. Vaccine efforts should be about striving for a common good -- the majority doing their part so that everyone can carry on as normal.

And who's to say that it'll stop at those who are unvaccinated? What if there's people in Germany currently saying "Well, I've had two jabs and I'm willing to take my chances with COVID now, so I won't have the booster". Will non-boostered people be locked out of public life until they've been injected a third or fourth time, like a good, obedient citizen? This is a government wielding far too much power over its citizenry, and it's doing so by guilt and in the name of "protecting public health". Last year, things like lockdowns were probably necessary and so, in a bit of a panic, we opted for them. But I remember being told almost a year ago that "we won't get back to normal until the vulnerable are vaccinated". A year on and we're still being told "you'll only get X when you do Y" or "if you don't do X then Y will happen".

So yeah, bonkers and scary move from Germany's government.
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Fair point, I'm not overly keen on the decision myself to be fair.
 
JamesMCFC said:
A bad comparison.

But don't make out the good guys are the ones who are advocating for unvaccinated to be banned from every day life
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I'm not being funny but some of them deserve to be ostracised from society. I'm not talking about your naive man in the street who falls for the odd Facebook post with false info - moreso those who use platforms to deliberately spread lies and misinformation to hundreds of thousands of people. Cunts like that are responsible for untold numbers of unnecessary Covid deaths and don't just need locking down. They need locking up.
 
This is a crazy move and in my opinion is going to have massive implications for future generations. Has there ever been forced vaccination anywhere in the world before? If the powers that be are allowed to do it once, what is next?

The fact that some of the most pro-vax people on here aren't comfortable with it tells you all you need to know.

I'm fully vaccinated, so are all my family, daughter just had flu nasal shot etc. so pro-vaccine, but primarily pro-choice.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Yup. As far as I can tell, the data we have doesn't at all allow a confident prediction of the impact on UK population.

There's everything out there from total doom-mongers to outright denial.

The confluence of
- biological rationale for some immune escape (number and nature of mutations)
- rapid rise in SA
- genetic evolution of the variant suggesting very recent (Sept/Oct) first emergence

All point towards a potentially significant impact. But as you rightly point out, that remains to be tested in a highly vaccinated population.

The first data on UK prevalence is just starting to emerge. How that grows over the next couple of weeks should clarify a lot how serious or not this will be, I think?

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Incidently, Alpha also had the S gene drop out.
0.4% this week
Let's assume that was yesterday - that equates to 192 cases yesterday, 576 next week,
Trebling (it's more infectious) gives us...
1,728 cases by 8/12
5,184 cases by 15/12
15,552 cases by 22/12
46,656 cases by 29/12
 
True_Blue69 said:
This is a crazy move and in my opinion is going to have massive implications for future generations. Has there ever been forced vaccination anywhere in the world before? If the powers that be are allowed to do it once, what is next?

The fact that some of the most pro-vax people on here aren't comfortable with it tells you all you need to know.

I'm fully vaccinated, so are all my family, daughter just had flu nasal shot etc. so pro-vaccine, but primarily pro-choice.
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Smallpox?
 
True_Blue69 said:
This is a crazy move and in my opinion is going to have massive implications for future generations. Has there ever been forced vaccination anywhere in the world before? If the powers that be are allowed to do it once, what is next?

The fact that some of the most pro-vax people on here aren't comfortable with it tells you all you need to know.

I'm fully vaccinated, so are all my family, daughter just had flu nasal shot etc. so pro-vaccine, but primarily pro-choice.
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Not quite vaccines but Flouride in tap water is one example of mandated intervention.

BBC has a page on some examples.
www.bbc.com

Why mandatory vaccination is nothing new

Mandatory vaccinations have been with us for centuries, quietly saving lives – and they're often largely unopposed until something changes.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com
 
M18CTID said:
Here's what the official Auschwitz Memorial Twitter page thinks of you loons trying to make such comparisons:

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Well removing the rights of Jewish people is how it started.
Full Ostracision and Mandatory jabs is a very dark turn for state control as far as I'm concerned and should be resisted.
Enforcing the wearing of masks is one thing. Requiring vaccine passes to get into venues when hospitalisation figures are high is just about OK but Mandatory vaccination? Are you really OK with it? Where does it stop?
 
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M18CTID said:
I'm not being funny but some of them deserve to be ostracised from society. I'm not talking about your naive man in the street who falls for the odd Facebook post with false info - moreso those who use platforms to deliberately spread lies and misinformation to hundreds of thousands of people. Cunts like that are responsible for untold numbers of unnecessary Covid deaths and don't just need locking down. They need locking up.
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Oh, I agree mate. The ones spreading misinformation and all that conspiracy bollocks, definitely do.

But the ones who have genuine concerns about the vaccine or simply don't want it - I can't really condemn them.
 
I was very uncomfortable about the policy for mandatory vaccinations. However, I thought about who the anti vaxxers are and I like the idea of pissing them off. So mandatory vaccinations it is :)
 
Whilst mandatory vaccines (or effectively mandatory) are admittedly uncomfortably totalitarian for many, comparing Germany's decision to do so as an equivalent to the active genocide of millions of people during the Holocaust is in extremely poor taste. And by the strictest definitions it's also a bit racist against Germans.


So I'd recommend we cut this angle of the debate short and not drag the forum down.
 
I guess their government has to find the best way to get their country through this pandemic, which doesn’t seem to be going away.

They believe that the best way is to get everybody vaccinated and have given their citizens a year to get their jab and now they think that mandating it will help with vaccination numbers.

Whilst it obviously will help, the negative publicity and probably rioting won’t be helpful.

It won’t eradicate COVID either unless all people in all countries (or the vast majority) also have the vaccination at a similar time.
 
Those who don’t want to be vaccinated ask yourself why is every country in the world are desperate for you to get vaccinated and the majority of all doctors want you to have it!

Ask yourself why?!


Get Vaccinated!
 
JamesMCFC said:
Oh, I agree mate. The ones spreading misinformation and all that conspiracy bollocks, definitely do.

But the ones who have genuine concerns about the vaccine or simply don't want it - I can't really condemn them.
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Yeah, I'm certainly not against those who have genuine concerns about it. Those who simply don't want it probably need a bit of a boot up the arse though
 
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