Coronavirus (2021) thread

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johnnytapia said:
Of those 365 deaths, how many were killed by Covid? How many died without Covid being a factor? The numbers are meaningless without the granular details; as Omicron infects millions then the mortalities with Covid on the death certificate will increase exponentially. And will be reported as “record” Covid deaths by our press. Utterly ridiculous
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This is just silly though because that's how all deaths are recorded. If you have a heart attack and have COVID at the same time then did COVID kill you or the heart attack? No-one can ever know so both will be put down because it's extremely likely that COVID severely impacted upon the prognosis of the condition.

The reason for this is COVID is extremely likely to complicate any severe condition you might have, that's why we had shielding until the vaccines appeared. It isn't because COVID itself was the threat, it's because many people carry conditions that COVID takes advantage of and makes worse.

In clinical settings it's been more than proven that most people who die from COVID actually don't die from COVID alone, they die as a result of complications. Here is an example, if you have blood problems then COVID generally causes clots in hospitalised people, so if that person dies of a blood clot then COVID is clearly the aggravating cause so it rightly goes down as a COVID related death.
 
mrbelfry said:
Quick question. Is there any correlation between how contagious you are and the brightness/thickness of the line on an lft test?
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Have you had an LFT with a really faint line on the 'T'? That's what I've had on my last two and waiting for PCR test to confirm, but told its likely positive.
Any symptoms along the lines of headache, sore back, shivers and sweats (at night after perking up throughout the day)?
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Official "with" and "for" data on admissions just updated.

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On the blue line, they were positive at least 8 days after admission with about a third of the total testing positive 15 days or more after they were admitted. It’s the nature of how hospitals are set up, with antiquated nightingale wards as well as patients and or relatives moving around the place.
It would be helpful if this was properly explained when it was reported to give it all some context.
Mind you, about 9% of patients are in a MH hospital so quite how they are ‘covid patients’ is anyones guess.
 
SWP's back said:
So 1 in 3 are in there with covid rather than because of it. Drops the numbers down rather significantly doesn’t it.
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It does, but if hospitals reach capacity, it doesn’t matter what they are in with? They won’t be able to get treatment, for whatever their ailment is.

Covid is still the 2/3 main driver of hospital admissions according to that graph.
 
ballbag said:
Have you had an LFT with a really faint line on the 'T'? That's what I've had on my last two and waiting for PCR test to confirm, but told its likely positive.
Any symptoms along the lines of headache, sore back, shivers and sweats (at night after perking up throughout the day)?
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Sounds rough man. The test isn't mine. Someone is isolating and done the 6th day lft test. She thinks as the line is so vibrant still that she still has lots of virus knocking about so isn't bothering to do any more tests. I'm just wondering if that is accurate? If the strength of the line indicates how much viral load you have
 
SWP's back said:
So 1 in 3 are in there with covid rather than because of it. Drops the numbers down rather significantly doesn’t it.
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This has been the case throughout the pandemic. As you've been commenting here for some time, you already knew this, surely?

Many people here have been claiming that the majority are admitted "with" not "for". So have some national newspapers.

As the latest data here shows, that is false.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
This has been the case throughout the pandemic. As you've been commenting here for some time, you already knew this, surely?

Many people here have been claiming that the majority are admitted "with" not "for". So have some national newspapers.

As the latest data here shows, that is false.
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That might not be quite right though. As I pointed out earlier, these figures are for people testing positive after 8 days or more. There will be another group who test positive either on admission or prior to 8 days as an inpatient, but might have been admitted for something unrelated to covid.
 
Surprised the scientists collate data anymore. If it suggests something that people don’t want to see, it’s authenticity is questioned.

Never for good news models though.

Weird.
 
mrbelfry said:
Sounds rough man. The test isn't mine. Someone is isolating and done the 6th day lft test. She thinks as the line is so vibrant still that she still has lots of virus knocking about so isn't bothering to do any more tests. I'm just wondering if that is accurate? If the strength of the line indicates how much viral load you have
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No idea tbh. I had a very faint line last week and had some mild symptoms (cough, headache, but not bad). PCR confirmed boxing day. Have been totally asymptomatic since then, but the lft line is getting stronger by the day.
 
inbetween said:
This is just silly though because that's how all deaths are recorded. If you have a heart attack and have COVID at the same time then did COVID kill you or the heart attack? No-one can ever know so both will be put down because it's extremely likely that COVID severely impacted upon the prognosis of the condition.

The reason for this is COVID is extremely likely to complicate any severe condition you might have, that's why we had shielding until the vaccines appeared. It isn't because COVID itself was the threat, it's because many people carry conditions that COVID takes advantage of and makes worse.

In clinical settings it's been more than proven that most people who die from COVID actually don't die from COVID alone, they die as a result of complications. Here is an example, if you have blood problems then COVID generally causes clots in hospitalised people, so if that person dies of a blood clot then COVID is clearly the aggravating cause so it rightly goes down as a COVID related death.
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There’s truth in this but each case is different. I was reading about a young pregnant lady (24) who ‘died of COVID because she wasn’t vaccinated’. I actually bothered to read the whole article. It was in the last paragraph where they explained she’d had multiple underlying health issues, she’d suffered a blood clot which left her in a coma, caught COVID while in hospital and she died a couple of days later (thankfully baby was saved). That simply isn’t a COVID death and the pressure being put on pregnant women to get vaccinated (who are otherwise very healthy) is completely absurd. The headline is was ‘24 year old mum to be dies would still be alive if she’d had her vaccines’. Mental.
 
Manchester33 said:
the pressure being put on pregnant women to get vaccinated (who are otherwise very healthy) is completely absurd
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The advice to get vaccinated for healthy pregnant women is very sensible.

RCOG supports calls from NHS to pregnant women to get vaccinated against COVID-19 | RCOG

RCOG supports calls from NHS to pregnant women to get vaccinated against COVID-19
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The evidence is compelling

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Manchester33 said:
There’s truth in this but each case is different. I was reading about a young pregnant lady (24) who ‘died of COVID because she wasn’t vaccinated’. I actually bothered to read the whole article. It was in the last paragraph where they explained she’d had multiple underlying health issues, she’d suffered a blood clot which left her in a coma, caught COVID while in hospital and she died a couple of days later (thankfully baby was saved). That simply isn’t a COVID death and the pressure being put on pregnant women to get vaccinated (who are otherwise very healthy) is completely absurd. The headline is was ‘24 year old mum to be dies would still be alive if she’d had her vaccines’. Mental.
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That's exactly true, each case is different which is why we shouldn't comment on how many people are hospitalised because of COVID or not. We certainly shouldn't take any notice of what journalists say. The only fact on the table really as it stands is COVID hospitalisations are rising at a time when health capacity is reducing and that's not a good thing.

The only precipitating factor for this is the huge change in COVID cases because what else is there? It isn't like there's an unusual rapid increase in the number of people ill with other things who just so happen to also be 'with' COVID.

I know people don't like this data but you can't adjust it to fit to your bias. At one point people said COVID was over when hospitalisations were reducing, you can't now say that COVID is still over whilst the opposite is happening.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
It does, but if hospitals reach capacity, it doesn’t matter what they are in with? They won’t be able to get treatment, for whatever their ailment is.

Covid is still the 2/3 main driver of hospital admissions according to that graph.
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And we’re still at around 30% of capacity for beds no?
 
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