Coronavirus (2022) thread

[Toney’s bookie]

There's been an alarming increase in the number of 'medical emergencies' at football games recently. I remember the odd one before the pandemic, but now it seems like they're occurring monthly (if not more frequently).

Some non-vaccinated friends of mine used it as anecdotal evidence as to why they shouldn't get the vaccine - "it can cause heart attacks which is why so many people have them now".

I've tried to counter the point by saying it's likely that COVID itself is causing the rise (as we know it affects the lungs/heart) rather than the vaccines - but they didn't want to hear it.

Is there any articles/papers that go into detail about what's happening?

I was chatting to a guy recently who had been match commander for hundreds of matches over the years and these medical incidents have always happened so many times you wouldn’t believe. However, the difference now is they stop the game every time and so everyone thinks it’s a sudden new phenomenon simply because attention is now drawn to it every time.

And again….sky sports BREAKING NEWS just now….Fulham and Blackpool players taken off the pitch due to medical emergency in the crowd. Is it any wonder people get the perception this is a new problem when it’s screamed at them via push notifications every single time.

 

[Healdplace]

296 deaths - was 297 last week

England only 275 - was 262 last week

Cases are only England and Northern Ireland on Saturdays.

They total 72,727 - last week they were 80,263 - so that is a real fall. Though today is actually going to rise about 3000 or so when the Scotland number IS added into the UK number on Monday.

England only 69,137 - was 78,711 yesterday & 73,331 last Saturday.

THOSE are actual direct comparisons you can depend on.

Wales never post on Saturdays and the Mensa team required to work out the numbers to count from the ones that Scotland do post have weekends off. So was the case in last weeks UK number above too. But that number from last week for the UK includes Scotland as it was added on last Monday - but this week as yet does not.

Crazy I know.

Scotland added 2972 / 4180 today - but it will be neither of those numbers that get counted. And something in between. Probably. But we have to wait for Monday until they work it out.

Yesterday it was 2972 / 7258 but that became 3956 later added on Gov UK. Not a clue why Scotland have decided to go this cockeyed route on reporting. But they have done so every day for a couple of weeks now.and messed up any easy comparing no end in the process.

 

[Healdplace]

England hospital numbers are the best news of the week.

Admissions (Thursday) 1503 - was 1698 last week & 1916 two weeks ago.

North West admissions 195 V 286 last week & 351 the week before.

Patients down by 790 today to 12,672.

Every region falls by good numbers but the North West by far the most - down 385 from yesterday to 2045. A week to week fall from 2708.

Ventilarors also down again as they have now every day for almost two weeks. Onto 458. It was 545 last week. 608 two weeks ago and 708 three Saturdays ago.

North West falls under 50 to 47 - the lowest in the region since 10 June.

Remarkable to see this tumbling number of ventilated patients in deep mid winter. Much the best news about right now as it will translate into fewer deaths almost certainly.

 

[Blue and still suffering]

And again….sky sports BREAKING NEWS just now….Fulham and Blackpool players taken off the pitch due to medical emergency in the crowd. Is it any wonder people get the perception this is a new problem when it’s screamed at them via push notifications every single time.

Same happened at the Oldham vs Rochdale game

 

[west didsblue]

Now that all of us who want it are vaxxed and boosted, Covid no longer feels like a disease that’s worth worrying about any more than other everyday diseases. If the antivax loons want to restrict their own freedom to travel where they want and restrict their employment options that’s up to them. More than happy for the freedom lovers to constrain their own lifestyles and increase their risk of serious illness by a factor of 20 whilst the rest of us get on with our lives without worrying about Covid.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

England hospital numbers are the best news of the week.

Admissions (Thursday) 1503 - was 1698 last week & 1916 two weeks ago.

North West admissions 195 V 286 last week & 351 the week before.

Patients down by 790 today to 12,672.

Every region falls by good numbers but the North West by far the most - down 385 from yesterday to 2045. A week to week fall from 2708.

Ventilarors also down again as they have now every day for almost two weeks. Onto 458. It was 545 last week. 608 two weeks ago and 708 three Saturdays ago.

North West falls under 50 to 47 - the lowest in the region since 10 June.

Remarkable to see this tumbling number of ventilated patients in deep mid winter. Much the best news about right now as it will translate into fewer deaths almost certainly.

Here's some remarkable data from Denmark - I think we're following the same path but a bit behind.

Hopefully we'll see the same crash in serious outcomes.



Denmark's current case rate is something like 6x ours, caveats on testing policy notwithstanding.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

And here another cheery graph, how fatality rate of covid has fallen through the pandemic in the UK.



Note the log scale - the fall is much more than it first appears.

 

[splinter]

England hospital numbers are the best news of the week.

Admissions (Thursday) 1503 - was 1698 last week & 1916 two weeks ago.

North West admissions 195 V 286 last week & 351 the week before.

Patients down by 790 today to 12,672.

Every region falls by good numbers but the North West by far the most - down 385 from yesterday to 2045. A week to week fall from 2708.

Ventilarors also down again as they have now every day for almost two weeks. Onto 458. It was 545 last week. 608 two weeks ago and 708 three Saturdays ago.

North West falls under 50 to 47 - the lowest in the region since 10 June.

Remarkable to see this tumbling number of ventilated patients in deep mid winter. Much the best news about right now as it will translate into fewer deaths almost certainly.

Pfizer plaxlovid rollout 10 February...fantastic news

 

[west didsblue]

And here another cheery graph, how fatality rate of covid has fallen through the pandemic in the UK.

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Note the log scale - the fall is much more than it first appears.

If it’s now just double flu presumably including the unvaxxed, for the vaxxed only it must be less than flu which suggests to me that the pandemic’s over and there’s an endemic disease that needs to be managed like many others.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

If it’s now just double flu presumably including the unvaxxed, for the vaxxed only it must be less than flu which suggests to me that the pandemic’s over and there’s an endemic disease that needs to be managed like many others.

I think the question is how to make sure it doesn't come back.

The omicron spike was way faster than any flu spike, and far more people are vaccinated vs covid than vs flu.

I'd like to see a strategy to minimise the likelihood of a return, and maximise our ability to respond if it does.

Eg ventilation standards, maximising vaccination incl annual boosters if justified, increasing healthcare capacity etc etc.

 

[Healdplace]

I think the question is how to make sure it doesn't come back.

The omicron spike was way faster than any flu spike, and far more people are vaccinated vs covid than vs flu.

I'd like to see a strategy to minimise the likelihood of a return, and maximise our ability to respond if it does.

Eg ventilation standards, maximising vaccination incl annual boosters if justified, increasing healthcare capacity etc etc.

Agreed and does the remarkable success and infectivity of Omicron (including the new version of it that is outcompeting the old version already it seems) narrow the window to very little as to what could actually be more easily transmitted than this?

Could there be a 100% infected V 90% or whatever the new Omicron version proves to be? Or has this just become the variant that will rule indefinitely with minor variations on a theme?

And is there a risk Omicron can mutate further in a way that will become more dangerous now it is so widespread and numerous? More cases presumably increase the risk of something rogue happening.

I am guessing yes. But we will all be hoping no.

OMicron looks like the stepping stone back to normality. But how likely is it that a further mutation of it turns this around?

 

[west didsblue]

I think the question is how to make sure it doesn't come back.

The omicron spike was way faster than any flu spike, and far more people are vaccinated vs covid than vs flu.

I'd like to see a strategy to minimise the likelihood of a return, and maximise our ability to respond if it does.

Eg ventilation standards, maximising vaccination incl annual boosters if justified, increasing healthcare capacity etc etc.

Wouldn’t argue with any of that other adding the need to help speed up the distribution of vaccines to the rest of the world. It doesn’t seem right that just 10% of the population of low income countries have been jabbed. It’s in everyone’s interest for that figure to go up as quickly as possible to reduce the potential for more variants to develop as well as protecting those populations.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Agreed and does the remarkable success and infectivity of Omicron (including the new version of it that is outcompeting the old version already it seems) narrow the window to very little as to what could actually be more easily transmitted than this?

Could there be a 100% infected V 90% or whatever the new Omicron version proves to be? Or has this just become the variant that will rule indefinitely with minor variations on a theme?

And is there a risk Omicron can mutate further in a way that will become more dangerous now it is so widespread and numerous? More cases presumably increase the risk of something rogue happening.

I am guessing yes. But we will all be hoping no.

OMicron looks like the stepping stone back to normality. But how likely is it that a further mutation of it turns this around?

There will be further mutations, of that we can be sure. They'll either be more transmissible or have immune escape.

Beyond that, I think we can predict very little - how severe, how different, how soon - no idea.

 

[feedthegoat27]

Two years ago he was just a doctor...You know, those you probably clapped in a mass circle jerk the year before..You must remember him, the guy who you trusted and valued his opinion...Yeah, him...

Incorrect, I never clapped once.

As someone else has already said, how can you work in medicine yet be anti-vax?
Makes absolutely zero sense or logic.

They are likely few and far between, but just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean they also can't be a fucking nutjob. It's a shame its taken a pandemic to weed a few of them out.

Looks like the ant-vax goons have a new poster boy though.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Wouldn’t argue with any of that other adding the need to help speed up the distribution of vaccines to the rest of the world. It doesn’t seem right that just 10% of the population of low income countries have been jabbed. It’s in everyone’s interest for that figure to go up as quickly as possible to reduce the potential for more variants to develop as well as protecting those populations.

In many low and medium income countries there is an issue with both governments and populations having no great interest in vaccination. Many of them have decided that they are not going to be 'fobbed off' with the highly effective, cheap and easy to deliver AZ vaccine and they don't have the means to distribute Pfizer or Moderna options. Serum Institute in India, the world's biggest vaccine manufacturer, has paused production of AZ due to lack of demand.

Even if these countries were given vaccines free I highly doubt they would improve on the current low take up. Hoping for a vaccinated global population is wishful thinking.

 

[west didsblue]

In many low and medium income countries there is an issue with both governments and populations having no great interest in vaccination. Many of them have decided that they are not going to be 'fobbed off' with the highly effective, cheap and easy to deliver AZ vaccine and they don't have the means to distribute Pfizer or Moderna options. Serum Institute in India, the world's biggest vaccine manufacturer, has paused production of AZ due to lack of demand.

Even if these countries were given vaccines free I highly doubt they would improve on the current low take up. Hoping for a vaccinated global population is wishful thinking.

I’m sure your point is valid in many countries but that wouldn’t go all the way to explain why vaccine coverage is below 10% in quite a few countries. I also know that a vaccinated global population could never happen. Even well vaccinated countries struggle to get above 90% of those eligible due to the amount of bullshit believed by the gullible. It’s all about reducing the pool of unvaccinated as much as possible which consequently reduces the number of potentially serious mutations.

 

[M18CTID]

Incorrect, I never clapped once.

As someone else has already said, how can you work in medicine yet be anti-vax?
Makes absolutely zero sense or logic.

They are likely few and far between, but just because someone is a doctor doesn't mean they also can't be a fucking nutjob. It's a shame its taken a pandemic to weed a few of them out.

Looks like the ant-vax goons have a new poster boy though.

I’m guessing he’s the same bloke who Jeremy Vine had on his show on Radio 2 the other day. I didn’t catch it all but when Vine made the point to him that death numbers are way down on where they were 12 months ago and that this was surely down to the vaccine, he didn’t even acknowledge it and instead banged on about thousands being in hospital with Covid, implying that that means the vaccine isn’t very effective.

The bloke’s a fucking prick.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Two years ago he was just a doctor...You know, those you probably clapped in a mass circle jerk the year before..You must remember him, the guy who you trusted and valued his opinion...Yeah, him...

20 years ago Harold Shipman was just a doctor.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

If it’s now just double flu presumably including the unvaxxed, for the vaxxed only it must be less than flu which suggests to me that the pandemic’s over and there’s an endemic disease that needs to be managed like many others.

That’s just deaths. To be endemic, doesn’t the spread of the disease have to be confined to small geographical areas and the spread able to be controlled?

Flu, for example, is not endemic.

 

[west didsblue]

I’m guessing he’s the same bloke who Jeremy Vine had on his show on Radio 2 the other day. I didn’t catch it all but when Vine made the point to him that death numbers are way down on where they were 12 months ago and that this was surely down to the vaccine, he didn’t even acknowledge it and instead banged on about thousands being in hospital with Covid, implying that that means the vaccine isn’t very effective.

The bloke’s a fucking prick.

He was on GMB a couple of weeks ago and Dr Hilary shot him down completely.