Coronavirus (2022) thread

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The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Looks like they’re binning the mandatory vaccines for NHS and care home staff, which is a great result.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...e-health-staff-no-longer-need-covid-vaccines/
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It's a sad indictment of the stupidity of so many people who refused to protect themselves and others during the phase of the pandemic when it would have made a difference. I hope they all feel proud of themselves that they believe that their stance has been vindicated. In reality this has happened because the virus has mutated to a form that is much less lethal, but they didn't know this was going to happen when they decided to put those under their care at additional risk over the last year.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Tour de force from John Burn Murdoch reviewing the impact of vaccination on the epidemic. Well worth a read.

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Wow, that stat a fully vaxxed 80 year old has the same risk of death as an unvaxxed 50 year old should be on every news leader.

But probably will not be.

If anything should wake up the anti vaxxers that might. It is a gigantic swing in risk given the age driven nature of Covid. And says everything about why the vaccines matter for everyone and are not much of a choice to the even modestly wise.
 
Also how if we had only done as well as the US in vacccinations not as well as we have we would have seen a wave this Winter not much less bad than last January in terms of patients in hospital.

We actually never even got to half the pre vaccine levels Winter to Winter and ventilators were about a fifth at peak.And deaths not dissimilar.

These numbers would all have been a lot worse if our vaccine programme had not been as good.

I seriously hope these differences will show countries that have a personal choice health care system why a national health service truly saves lives. I think it is THE single best thing that came out of the disaster of World War Two in the UK and hope that Covid results in a similar ripple across the world.
 
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Also that thread seems to say the booster programme has been the big reason the Omicron wave has been below so many predictions here. Not just its milder nature. By sheer numbers without the success of the boosters we would have likely had more patients in hospital than the near 40K we had in Jan 2021 - which would have stretched the NHS a lot more than has occurred this mid Winter.
 
But they also caution we got lucky with Omicron being milder. And if the next variant comes from Delta we might not be next time round. Again this stresses why we really have to get our act together on vaccinating the planet as otherwise we are sleepwalking into the premiere of Covid 2 - The Doomsday Variant - at some upcoming point.

How about these multi billionaires who love funding toy spaceships to fly octogenerian actors into orbit put some money into a rapid global vaccination exercise mobilising the youth of the wider world to volunteer help. The anti vaxxers will be first in line as they have no fear of catching Covid in a foreign land rife with it presumably.
 
Another key stat in that report - Omicron plus the vaccines has reduced the death rate to about 2 x Flu but because it is about 5 x more infectious that still evens out at being over twice as much more serious as flu in cases and deaths. So it is not reduced to just flu as many are saying.

Making the need to vaccinate everyone even more urgent and we will never be free of Covid in any significant way unless and until we get as many of the holdouts against being vaccinated to do so. Evidence globally says they are in large numbers the ones getting most sick and going into hospital now even with Omicron and will likely in future be the ones causing it to come back and possibly mutate into something worse by chance.
 
west didsblue said:
It's a sad indictment of the stupidity of so many people who refused to protect themselves and others during the phase of the pandemic when it would have made a difference. I hope they all feel proud of themselves that they believe that their stance has been vindicated. In reality this has happened because the virus has mutated to a form that is much less lethal, but they didn't know this was going to happen when they decided to put those under their care at additional risk over the last year.
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Spot on

If the virus had mutated into a more lethal form - then they would have been seen to be even more stupid and selfish

This is not a victory for them
 
England hospital data today:

Mondays nearly always show an increase - usually the biggest of the week .

Today patients are up 339 to 13,331 (last Monday they were up 229 to 14,563 - it then fell for the next five days

Every region rose today by similar numbers - South East up by 79 was the most.

North West up 43 to 2241.

Ventilators - though - happily fell again for the 15th consecutive day, Down 8 to 447. Last Monday it fell 3 to 521.

London down the most - 18 to 156. North West up 4 to 52.

Admissions (from Saturday - always 48 hours behind) were 1325 - this is actually up from 1277 the previous Saturday - first rise in a while - but down from 1604 the Saturday before.

North West was up from 187 last week to 188 this Saturday. The only region to go up.Barely as it was.

Full details of all regions and each of the UK nation numbers are on the data thread as usual.
 
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Overall England case numbers rose massively yesterday with the decision to add in all reinfection cases - not previously counted - all in one go - so all onto the total for each borough yesterday.

So yesterdays individual numbers were heavily inflated by that. Though the UK daily total was not reported.

If it had been there would have been around 814,000 cases in England added as yesterday's total as that is the sum of the 9 regions cases that were added yesterday.

Greater Manchester for instance had around 55,000 cases added yesterday. The vast majority not actually from yesterday.

The North West had the highest reinfections of any of the 9 regions quite comfortably.

But the key stat the media should notice though I expect they will not is that:

The biggest number of reinfections in the 10 GM boroughs was in Manchester with the lowest levels of vacination in the ten boroughs.

And the lowest number of reinfections was in Stockport - the borough with the highest levels of vaccination.

Not going to be a coincidence.

Full details are on the data thread for anyone interested.
 
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Marklr said:
I can't stand this twat. Some of the replies are class, though.
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Is he that weird fella who that libertarian group use as the face for their political party? He talks some right old shit, him! I bet even the party he’s the face for think “what the fuck’s he talking about?” half the time.
 
Healdplace said:
Overall England case numbers rose massively yesterday with the decision to add in all reinfection cases - not previously counted - all in one go - so all onto the total for each borough yesterday.

So yesterdays individual numbers were heavily inflated by that. Though the UK daily total was not reported.

If it had been there would have been around 814,000 cases in England added as yesterday's total as that is the sum of the 9 regions cases that were added yesterday.

Greater Manchester for instance had around 55,000 cases added yesterday. The vast majority not actually from yesterday.

The North West had the highest reinfections of any of the 9 regions quite comfortably.

But the key stat the media should notice though I expect they will not is that:

The biggest number of reinfections in the 10 GM boroughs was in Manchester with the lowest levels of vacination in the ten boroughs.

And the lowest number of reinfections was in Stockport - the borough with the highest levels of vaccination.

Not going to be a coincidence.

Full details are on the data thread for anyone interested.
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Why would or should the media report in detail on manchester boroughs ?
 
kaz7 said:
Why would or should the media report in detail on manchester boroughs ?
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It is not national news obviously.

But it is visible evidence that the vaccines cut reinfections and so worth mentioning and there is such a thing as media like Granada Reports or BBC North West News that mention things tied to the pandemic in GM boroughs often.
 
Gov UK Numbers are late again. Will be on the data thread later when available.

But England hospital numbers are out and are more important and good news again.

Admissions (Sunday - admissions are always 48 hours behind) 1285 V 1535 last week & 1768 week before

Good falls again here.

North West 179 V 218 last week & 295 week before

Patients TODAY down 435 to 12,896 - last Tuesday the fall was 475 to 14,088

Every region down today - mostly middling numbers but North West by the most - 181 to 2060

Ventilators - for first time in over 2 weeks NOT fallen. But has stayed flat on 449 V last Tuesday when there was a fall of 20 to 501. So down 52 in week.

Only small changes in the areas - North West stays on 52 V 63 last Tuesday.

Patients and ventilatrs fell in both Scotland and Northern Ireland today also.

N Ireland now has just 13 on ventilators. Like the NW lowest numbers since Summer 2021.

Care home outbreaks in both N Ireland and Scotland are falling too. NI down in week from 213 to 179.

These are all the key numbers right now (much more so than cases) that are going the right way.
 
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