Coronavirus (2022) thread

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Healdplace said:
Another key stat in that report - Omicron plus the vaccines has reduced the death rate to about 2 x Flu but because it is about 5 x more infectious that still evens out at being over twice as much more serious as flu in cases and deaths. So it is not reduced to just flu as many are saying.

Making the need to vaccinate everyone even more urgent and we will never be free of Covid in any significant way unless and until we get as many of the holdouts against being vaccinated to do so. Evidence globally says they are in large numbers the ones getting most sick and going into hospital now even with Omicron and will likely in future be the ones causing it to come back and possibly mutate into something worse by chance.
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Let's see death figures in March before making that claim. 2/3 of yearly flu deaths occur Dec-Mar in the UK with the higher infection rate of Omicron and quicker rise and fall of cases within 2 and a bit months it might equate to average flu overall.
 
The inclusion of the reinfection numbers have added thousands of cases to everywhere today. Not going to be much straight comparisons possible.

Seems a good place to stop counting cases. Maybe why they did this.

Either way technically there were 112,458 UK cases today - up from 92,368 yesterday & from 94,326 last week

But we have no idea if those would have been up or down if last weeks numbers had added in reinfections so I do not get why they have done this right now. It simply erodes whatever was left of the point of counting cases.

Only the hospital numbers matter now. And they were good today. So these big case rises. Meh! Going to stop reporting them now I think.

UK Deaths were 219 - but they have changed that too.

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This means that from 1 February 2022 deaths will be reported using the new episode-based case definition in England, including deaths following possible reinfections. From this point, reported deaths in people with COVID-19 (within 28 or 60 days of positive test) are considered from the first positive specimen date of the most recent episode of infection, rather than an individual’s first ever positive specimen date.
 
The change in the way deaths are counted as Covid has added 1087 extra deaths to the England total overall today. Minus whatever of todays were / were not extra ones.
 
Healdplace said:
The change in the way deaths are counted as Covid has added 1087 extra deaths to the England total overall today. Minus whatever of todays were / were not extra ones.
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So we are down to numbers in hospital and numbers requiring ventilators as the only unchanged measures of how comparatively good or bad things are?
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
So we are down to numbers in hospital and numbers requiring ventilators as the only unchanged measures of how comparatively good or bad things are?
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Seems so.

Though they could redefine as being on a type of ventilator when you go to the beach with a snorkle attached and then test positive. That way you can put the numbers up and down within an hour or two.

Would not seem much dafter than some of the things they are doing right now.
 


Hindsight's a wonderful thing but this was there for all to see. A real, live, Diamond Princess moment. We all saw it unfold, on here. We were watching.
A big thank you has to go out to the South African medical community for immediately alerting the world to this.
It's proving to be the sneeze that may have saved the world.
 
The vaccines are indeed a huge testement to how the world can work together to solve a doomsday scenario.

Now all we have to do is get on with vaccinating all the countries that cannot afford to do so or will not unless pushed.

And then put the same forces fr good together to try to resolve the other crises we still face.

Such as climate change. Where all the same issues - national avarice and a huge range of cultural and governing systems make coordination so hard. Despite it being the same problem for every person on Earth irrepective of where they live. Or how they live.

We have shown we can work together in face of adversity. Now we must not let this just be a Captain Tom moment rapidly forgotten and even abused by the Twitterati. It has to be a starting point for humanity to BE much nore of a global caretaker than an indivudual abuser of the things our survival depends upon,
 
Wanted to share some good news on data:-

Wales (13), Northern Ireland (13), Scotland (29) and England (449)


These are the number of patients on ventilators in each country.

The falls in Wales and N Ireland this week have matched England and Scotland's head start on doing the same.

All four nations now have as few people on ventilators as they did in mid July last year.

Visble proof of how much less serious Omicron is V prior variants and why it is causing fewer deaths. Not getting into the lungs anything like it did before. Because of better treatments, the vaccine programme and the lower threat of Omicron - all working in the same direction.

This day last year here were the ventilator numbers

Wales (113), Northern Ireland (58), Scotland (140) and England (3324)


On the day last year of those ventilated patients - going 7 days earlier to allow for lag from case to patient - there had been in the UK 20,089 cases recorded.

7 days ago v todays ventilator numbers this year there were 102,292 cases

5 times as many cases as you can see led to MANY times fewer ventilated even allowing for more and better testing a year on.
 
Healdplace said:
Wanted to share some good news on data:-

Wales (13), Northern Ireland (13), Scotland (29) and England (449)


These are the number of patients on ventilators in each country.

The falls in Wales and N Ireland this week have matched England and Scotland's head start on doing the same.

All four nations now have as few people on ventilators as they did in mid July last year.

Visble proof of how much less serious Omicron is V prior variants and why it is causing fewer deaths. Not getting into the lungs anything like it did before. Because of better treatments, the vaccine programme and the lower threat of Omicron - all working in the same direction.

This day last year here were the ventilator numbers

Wales (113), Northern Ireland (58), Scotland (140) and England (3324)


On the day last year of those ventilated patients - going 7 days earlier to allow for lag from case to patient - there had been in the UK 20,089 cases recorded.

7 days ago v todays ventilator numbers this year there were 102,292 cases

5 times as many cases as you can see led to MANY times fewer ventilated even allowing for more and better testing a year on.
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Roll on the spring and summer
 
splinter said:
Roll on the spring and summer
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Soon be here. Hard to believe it is February already. Or that is just me getting so old the years fly by faster due to the percentage effect. As in psychologically the older you are the shorter each day feels as a percentage of your memories.
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Covid-19: Government writes off £8.7bn of pandemic PPE

No 10 says it stands by the decision to buy the kit, arguing 97% was suitable for use by the NHS.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Mind boggling numbers!
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I have posted before, I was requested to collect about 200 boxes of PPE during the first wave. It was from a car dealership in Blackburn and was imported from Malaysia on a Virgin plane.

Then took it to a Games (computer) Distributor in Dukinfield, stickers removed and different paperwork picked. From there, we took to Chester and Wales, the second site asked us to load it direct on to their Van which was taking it to a medical distribution company in the South where hopefully it would have found it’s way to the NHS

Expenses/Cost/Profit

Malaysian Exporter
Virgin
Car Dealership in Blackburn
Games Company in Dukinfield
Distributor in Chester/Wales
The above’s Customer in the South
My transport costs

Should have been Malaysia direct to the NHS or even Malaysia to one distribution hub then onto the NHS.

We did quite a few of these journeys but struggled to get paid so fucked them off, seemingly billions pissed away.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:


Hindsight's a wonderful thing but this was there for all to see. A real, live, Diamond Princess moment. We all saw it unfold, on here. We were watching.
A big thank you has to go out to the South African medical community for immediately alerting the world to this.
It's proving to be the sneeze that may have saved the world.
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That 2nd tweet in his thread is absolutely brutal and should really lead to people on SAGE either quitting, or being moved on. Time to get rid of the clearly politically motivated people that we keep rolling out. Imagine we took their advice and shut everything down over Xmas.
 
True_Blue69 said:
That 2nd tweet in his thread is absolutely brutal and should really lead to people on SAGE either quitting, or being moved on. Time to get rid of the clearly politically motivated people that we keep rolling out. Imagine we took their advice and shut everything down over Xmas.
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Imagine if we refused to take their advice in march 2020....
 
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