Coronavirus (2022) thread

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Do not panic on the 534 deaths today. This is some kind of data glitch as 519 were supposedly in England but the hospital ones fell on last week on just 205 so no way there were 314 more elsewhere than in England hospitals today.

Must be some big add from elsewhere via their major tinkering with the data and struggling to handle the new system.

Yesterdays looked suspiciousaly low and I suspect they left some out then as it was well below the hospital number. Maybe they added that error in today.

There is such a thing as changing the way you do these things too much and at the wrong time.

I think they have as they were unable to post any Scotland data as Scotland now posts it only 2 or 3 hours befre and it needs a super computer ro decipher these days.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Yes good point, but they were also massively wrong then if you remember rightly. They have hugely overestimated the impact from day 1.
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They told boris to lock down in early march , he waited , in sept , he waited thus causing hundreds of thousands of needless deaths , modelling a novel virus with no data is more difficult than anything , they always said IF no measures are taken, to throw omicron at them now after all the scientists tried their best to save lives is grossly unfair
 
Healdplace said:
Do not panic on the 534 deaths today. This is some kind of data glitch as 519 were supposedly in England but the hospital ones fell on last week on just 205 so no way there were 314 more elsewhere than in England hospitals today.

Must be some big add from elsewhere via their major tinkering with the data and struggling to handle the new system.

Yesterdays looked suspiciousaly low and I suspect they left some out then as it was well below the hospital number. Maybe they added that error in today.

There is such a thing as changing the way you do these things too much and at the wrong time.

I think they have as they were unable to post any Scotland data as Scotland now posts it only 2 or 3 hours befre and it needs a super computer ro decipher these days.
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Still 534 more deceased people , nobody goes by the 24hr thing in truth , we all know it is spread over longer periods sometimes , the total number of dead people is where we should put our attention
 
The better news is that cases - even with the 3500 or so they were unable to add from Scotand - is well down on yesterday and down on last week too.

England cases 88,085 - down from the artificially pumped up 112,458 yesterday & down from 92,368 - the last normal England number on Monday & down from 102,292 last Wednesday.

These are what the media will hopefully report properly if they can figure out this needless confusing mess.
 
kaz7 said:
Still 534 more deceased people , nobody goes by the 24hr thing in truth , we all know it is spread over longer periods sometimes , the total number of dead people is where we should put our attention
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Of course, but that is not why this was wrong and should be pointed out.

The number is way over the real one for today which would have been reported and that will be under 300. They are not explaining why it is so high and such a jump. So it will be reported as the highest since last winter when I am about 99% certain it is not.

I do not buy the conspiracy theories but you need the data to report things as they are not a false perception of what they are right now. As it determines how people react.

We were doing that until they decided to change everything in the middle of a wave and it is clearly confusing everybody - including themselves.

Because I am all but certain these are ones they missed somewhere and are adding on in one lump when they are likely spread over some time. So there is no jump at all. It just looks like it and that should have been clarified before the media reported.
 
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Healdplace said:
Of course, but that is not why this was wrong and should be pointed out.

The number is way over the one for today which would have been reported and that will be under 300. They are not explaining why it is so high and such a jump. So it will be reported as the highest since last winter when I am about 99% certain it is not.

I do not buy the conspiracy theories but you need the data to report things as they are not a false perception of what they are right now. AS it determines how people react.

We were doing that until they decided to change everything in the middle of a wave and it is clearly confusing everybody - including themselves.
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Forget the media , you are the media so send it to whoever you know rather than every day putting the media down

Everyone knows about adding onto the "daily figures " which is just a way to produce data and not an actual measurement of the last day
 

US army to discharge soldiers who refuse COVID jab​

The US army has said it will immediately begin separating soldiers from the service who refuse to be vaccinated against COVID-19.
The order applies to regular army soldiers, reservists on certain active duty and cadets - unless they have a valid exemption - the force said in a statement.

Will we follow suit ?
 
kaz7 said:
Forget the media , you are the media so send it to whoever you know rather than every day putting the media down

Everyone knows about adding onto the "daily figures " which is just a way to produce data and not an actual measurement of the last day
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I am not the media. Nor am I blaming the media every day. And not even doing so today. They report what they were told. The blame here is on that being mislreading and not being put in context to them as it should have been. I expect they will do so as it is being widely reported now as the worst numbers in months when that is misleading and they will realise that they should have explained why before releasing.

Deaths are now falling. Not rising. That is the message that should be going out. This data glitch suggests the opposite. That was all I am saying.
 
AS @Healdplace rightly called and also thanks for your input on this thread - It's a shame you have to face rudeness by the odd poster


UK Health Security Agency

Please note: Due to the change in our reporting mechanisms to count reinfections, there have been some delays in the reporting of daily deaths. Today’s data includes a backlog of recent deaths and therefore today’s reported deaths are higher than would normally be the case
The overnight changes reported on today’s Dashboard include deaths which have been reported since the last daily report. This does not necessarily mean these deaths have occurred in the last 24 hours.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Time to get rid of the clearly politically motivated people
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Modeling is done by academic groups, not directly by SAGE.

You're suggesting that epidemiologists ar imperial college, Warwick University and the London School of Hygiene and tropical medicine are Marxists, fix their models according to Trotsky's dictum of perpetual revolution and should be purged to the gulag?

Get a grip.
 
Glad they have made this clear now. That is all I was trying to get across.

I was not bothered about anyone calling me out over it.

I just wanted it to be clear this was an artefact as I had already seen one TV report soon after the numbers came out sayng these were the highest death numbers on a day in months. Which was technically true but was not the true story. And their reporting has now changed so the message did ultimately get through.
 
Even better news is that the hospital numbers in England are very good again today:

Admissions (Monday)- when if you recall patient numbers rose by 340 -

1451 V 1593 last week AND V 1808 the Monday before

NW 211 V 252 V 310

The rest below is from today not Monday:-

Patients down 319 to 12,577 V 13,948 last Wednesday.

South East & South West were both up today. The other regions all fell.

North West fell by the most - 120 - to go sub 2000 on 1940.

Ventilators after being flat yesterday resumed the fall - they have not gone up in a day now for 17 days.

Fell by 17 to 432. North West down 6 to 46. Only London on 158 is higher than 76.

These are the fewest number on ventilators in England since 11 July.

The other nations also have spectacular falls like this.

Scotland on just 28, Wales 11 and Northern Ireland 10 - all have dropped a lot in the past three weeks.

This means under 500 on ventilators in the whole UK (481 today) for first time in 7 months.

There were 3635 on ventilators in the UK on 2 Feb 2021.
 
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Healdplace said:
I am not the media. Nor am I blaming the media every day. And not even doing so today. They report what they were told. The blame here is on that being mislreading and not being put in context to them as it should have been. I expect they will do so as it is being widely reported now as the worst numbers in months when that is misleading and they will realise that they should have explained why before releasing.

Deaths are now falling. Not rising. That is the message that should be going out. This data glitch suggests the opposite. That was all I am saying.
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There is a very useful ignore option on this forum!
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
There is a very useful ignore option on this forum!
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Thank you for the suggestion - but I will never block anyone on principle. If I am going to expect my words to be listened to then it is only right that I should give the same courtesy to everyone else. I may choose to disagree but I will never choose not to listen.

Probably why I gave up on Twitter as everybody blocks everyone there if they do not agree with them - making conversations increasingly dumb and often incomprehensible.
 
Healdplace said:
I will never block anyone on principle. If I am going to expect my words to be listened to then it is only right that I should give the same courtesy to everyone else. I may choose to disagree but I will never choose not to listen.

Probably why I gave up on Twitter as everybody blocks everyone there they do not agree with making conversations increasingly dumb and often incomprehensible.
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That's fair enough and of course a personal choice.

Being bombarded with incoherent nonsense could be the exception to the rule though...
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
That's fair enough and of course a personal choice.

Being bombarded with incoherent nonsense could be the exception to the rule though...
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In my life I long since got used to that even before the internet. When you have bamboozled Patrick Moore on BBC Breakfast and outquipped James Whale on his chat show you soon see the virtue of listening and then hoping to respond with a bit more sense the audience might remember more than if you just shut debate down.

It does not always work. I do get stuff wrong sometimes. And obviously more difficult here given the sobriety and calibre of the posters than when faced with Patrick Gobbledegook Moore.
 
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UK records highest number of daily Covid deaths since last February​

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The UK has recorded the highest number of Covid-related deaths since February 23 last year.

A total of 534 people were reported to have died within 28 days of a positive test today.

A total of 88,085 new cases were also recorded in the latest 24 hours.

The new data does not include cases, tests and deaths in Scotland due to a ‘technical issue’ with Public Health Scotland. These figures will be ‘added to a future update’.

It compares with 219 deaths and 112,458 cases reported by the Department of Health yesterday.

Despite a fall in infection rates, cases remain at high levels as coronavirus hits young people, recent ONS figures suggest.

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That was all over the net when I looked. This is why it mattered to be clear on reasons or scare tactics like these would be used to bring readers. They mention everything that was up there from Gov UK (even the missing 3000 or so cases from Scotland) but not the reason why the UK deaths were so high.​

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Hopefully they have updated their story. But this is why it mattered.​

 
Well after the little lad had covid 10 days ago yet was only Ill for 24 hours, my girlfriend then tested positive early Monday morning, she’s been rough as fuck with it, terrible cough and can’t lie down properly due to the way it’s making her feel. Guessing it’ll be me at some point, still testing negative though so fingers crossed.
 
inchy14 said:
Well after the little lad had covid 10 days ago yet was only Ill for 24 hours, my girlfriend then tested positive early Monday morning, she’s been rough as fuck with it, terrible cough and can’t lie down properly due to the way it’s making her feel. Guessing it’ll be me at some point, still testing negative though so fingers crossed.
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Hope she pulls through ok buddy.
 
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