Corruption in English football?

[hammocity]

It would certainly be a big story if Tottenham’s captain was accepting bribes to help Arsenal win the league. Is there any particular reason why you think that is likely?

Agreed, I’d very much doubt a World Cup winning Goalkeeper on around 150k per week would sully his reputation and ruin his career for a few quid in bribes, some people are just fantasists, it’s beyond reason why he would do it.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

It's crystal clear.

The entire FA is corrupt and is against City 100%. I mean just look at the facts.

Snce 2011, City have won the league title only 6out of 11 times! City the most dominate winning side by far since 2011. Clearly the FA is corrupt and anti-City. Can't you see?!?!

 

[Allnightlong]

It's crystal clear.

The entire FA is corrupt and is against City 100%. I mean just look at the facts.

Snce 2011, City have won the league title only 6out of 11 times! City the most dominate winning side by far since 2011. Clearly the FA is corrupt and anti-City. Can't you see?!?!

so the FA PL are completely without a doubt all above board with no hint of corruption?

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

so the FA PL are completely without a doubt all above board with no hint of corruption?

Did you read my post? They're obviously 100% corrupt and anti-City, LOL. Every single decision against CIty is corrupt!!!

Well maybe except that probabilities factor in - that mistakes are made - and that City gets beneficial mistaken calls sometimes and sometimes gets adverse mistaken calls - in roughly equal proportion just as every other side... SIKE!!! No way - FA is corrupt and ANTI-CITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Allnightlong]

Did you read my post? They're obviously 100% corrupt and anti-City, LOL. Every single decision against CIty is corrupt!!!

not sure if your being funny or serious. over my head

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

not sure if your being funny or serious. over my head

The irony in my posts is as dripping as I can make it. Take it from there.

Still confused?

Then take a gander on RAWK or any other opposition fan site - and see what they think about the FA, corruption, and bias - and in particular bias for or against City.

 

[Allnightlong]

The irony in my posts is as dripping as I can make it. Take it from there.

sorry, far too intelligent comedy for me. I will leave it there

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

This is a fair rebuttal, and comes up from time to time.

I always answer it with a reference to the financial fraud tactics used to cook books (because that is an element of my professional expertise): you fudge in the margins, overtime, where it is the most difficult to both discover and prove, and the most impactful for the desired outcome.

That is to say, you have to be clever with selection and know when one means of manipulation is not functionally available due do outside constraints/factors. You also have to do your best to avoid creating an easily discerned pattern (by that, I mean for the entities that actually have power to investigate and enforce consequences, not for powerless laymen like football fans being suspicious).

In the case of Liverpool this season, they are abjectively bad and it is abnormally difficult to aid them in most (but not all) matches.

In contrast, United are on quite a hot streak as of late, and so are much easier to help along. Same for Arsenal up until recently.

Even better, we’ve have been mediocre this season, which makes it that much easier to tip the scales on the occasion it might lead to a desirable outcome.

It’s also important to note that manipulation of the sort I am personally claiming is likely occurring is not “all or nothing, all the time”. Sometimes there are no opportunities to give a little nudge one way or another. Sometimes you don’t try at all and just let things play out on their own because you don’t really care about that particularly outcome. And some times the attempts to manipulate are unsuccessful. That is also the case with other types of corruption and manipulation.

I think some believe many of us are claiming that there is an all encompassing, ever-present, all-knowing, omnipotent master planner that is carefully orchestrating the outcomes of all league matches. And that is very much not the case.

But we have plenty of examples of manipulation of sport events to attain certain ultimate outcomes in the past (both in England and elsewhere, including in top tier football) to show us not only how it can be done but that it can be successful.

And, furthermore, the most successful schemes tend to come from governing bodies themselves for fairly obvious reasons.

Hammer, meet nail's head!

Well said that man. This is EXACTLY how it works.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

sorry, far too intelligent comedy for me. I will leave it there

There's no comedy at play.

The fact is that corruption absolutely occurs in top level football. The English FA have been good at weeding out corruption - but not perfect. There's so much money involved that corruption does infrequently occur even in the English game - but by in large it's not a factor.

In other top-level leagues, corruption scandals are more frequent - but not the norm. And they're cracked down upon - eventually.

Those claiming that every single mistaken decision that goes against City is due to corruption are simply wrong - mistakes happen. City benefits from mistaken calls about as often as it's hurt - and the FA is virtually free of corruption.

 

[Allnightlong]

There's no comedy at play.

The fact is that corruption absolutely occurs in top level football. The English FA have been good at weeding out corruption - but not perfect. There's so much money involved that corruption does infrequently occur even in the English game - but by in large it's not a factor.

In other top-level leagues, corruption scandals are more frequent - but not the norm. And they're cracked down upon - eventually.

Those claiming that every single mistaken decision that goes against City is due to corruption are simply wrong - mistakes happen. City benefits from mistaken calls about as often as it's hurt - and the FA is virtually free of corruption.

i dont believe that we believe that every decision against us is corruption, but Saturday was more than a refeering mistake imo.