Could public services realistically be fully renationalised again?

[hilts]

THE secret is in the name of the poster 'Old timer' ....CANT REMOVE THE MEMORY OF THE 70's

One should also learn the lessons from history. It’s not headline or groundbreaking but trial it and dissect the outcome.

 

[oldtimerdiscopants]

One should also learn the lessons from history. It’s not headline or groundbreaking but trial it and dissect the outcome.

I can't see any possible outcome from mass nationalisation of industries and assets than strikes and more strikes mate. I can remember being taken by my Mother to one of her friends houses when the leccy strikes hit home, her friends had the money to hoard candles and camping equipment they even had a generator, we had nothing but a cold run down house that my Mother did well to keep warm.

It was an inconvenient adventure for the upper working class and it was downright life threatening for the working poor, a working poor the strikers and the unions didn't seem to care about.

 

[urban genie]

Yes, though I expect some would be harder to re incorperate

 

[hilts]

I can't see any possible outcome from mass nationalisation of industries and assets than strikes and more strikes mate. I can remember being taken by my Mother to one of her friends houses when the leccy strikes hit home, her friends had the money to hoard candles and camping equipment they even had a generator, we had nothing but a cold run down house that my Mother did well to keep warm.

It was an inconvenient adventure for the upper working class and it was downright life threatening for the working poor, a working poor the strikers and the unions didn't seem to care about.

I too think it would end badly but we’re 40 years on let them prove it as a workable project.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I can't see any possible outcome from mass nationalisation of industries and assets than strikes and more strikes mate. I can remember being taken by my Mother to one of her friends houses when the leccy strikes hit home, her friends had the money to hoard candles and camping equipment they even had a generator, we had nothing but a cold run down house that my Mother did well to keep warm.

It was an inconvenient adventure for the upper working class and it was downright life threatening for the working poor, a working poor the strikers and the unions didn't seem to care about.

It was a breakdown of trust after the Labour government reneged on promises ... they tried to keep wage growth suppressed as they fought inflation running at 27%

 

[Dubai Blue]

How are the railways run in Germany? The first port of call should be to replicate that model as close as possible.

 

[inbetween]

How are the railways run in Germany? The first port of call should be to replicate that model as close as possible.

The German model is heralded as the best indeed but the German model was run for decades at billion euro losses so to replicate it would be madness.

Just because we own the model does not make it better, it means we own it and nothing more.

It is inevitable to me that to run a proper mass nationalisation program we need to raise taxes tenfold. Trains do not cost nothing and if people want cheaper train tickets than now then it means the taxpayer HAS to fill the gap through subsidy.

If people are prepared to pay for a nationalised railway then we can have a nationalised railway. If people are not prepared to pay for it then we can still have a nationalised railway but it won't be any better than the service we already have.

Free lunches do not exist.

 

[Fame Monster]

It is inevitable to me that to run a proper mass nationalisation program we need to raise taxes tenfold. Trains do not cost nothing and if people want cheaper train tickets than now then it means the taxpayer HAS to fill the gap through subsidy.

If people are prepared to pay for a nationalised railway then we can have a nationalised railway. If people are not prepared to pay for it then we can still have a nationalised railway but it won't be any better than the service we already have.

Free lunches do not exist.

Subsidies are completely unnecessary and the idea that the Government would have to increase taxes ‘tenfold’ is ideological lunacy. Privatisation has actually meant British rail-users pay a tax to other countries (among others) of roughly a billion pounds every year. Nationalisation would either abolish this tax by lowering rail fares (by around 10% according to some reports) or keep rail fares the same but the tax would instead go to the UK government that theoretically would reinvest in the railways thereby providing better services.

 

[Manc in London]

Of course I am aware but I am also acutely aware of what happens to publicly owned companies historically. IF the government nationalises industries then unions will get a lot stronger, it's naive to think otherwise. That could mean we're all sat in the dark looking for grandmas teeth again.

Local government is unionised. No real issues there.

 

[FantasyIreland]

How are the railways run in Germany? The first port of call should be to replicate that model as close as possible.

A hint of irony in that Northern is a German organisation.