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Well that is as busy as I have seen it since lockdown. Just been for my run it’s packed out.

Ran over the golf course I don’t think I have ever seen it as busy. Nobody playing golf though !!!
 
A Marie Curie nurse who spent more than 40 years working in palliative care has died after contracting COVID-19.

Barbara Sage was "kind, caring and fun" and "a beautiful person" who had "an absolute passion" for her work.

"The family couldn't hold Barbara's hand as she was dying. They couldn't hug her goodbye

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...urse-barbara-sage-dies-with-covid-19-11975415

Another angel lost
 
So much for the warm weather theory:

French researchers found that the novel coronavirus survived in 140-degree Fahrenheit temperatures typically used to disinfect research labs, casting doubt on suggestions that the global pandemic, which has caused more than 180,000 deaths, will subside in the summer.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthca...-temperatures-ineffective-against-coronavirus

Yep not looking like temperature will help. EU CDC were saying this about 2/3 weeks back as well.
 
America and Brazil have practically given up. More European country’s are easing restrictions - regardless of the death toll, it’s only a matter of time before before the world just gives up and goes ‘back to normal’

People near me in the Netherlands have given up. I am a guy who likes my space from people, and I found 3 strategic walks for my dog where we would possibly meet 2 or 3 people in the spac of 1-2 hours. Every day it's packed, big groups at benches eating and drinking, clearly excursions involving more than one household, clothes shops and coffee shops are still open. Its' go to the point where I think they should just open the pubs and restaurants again. Everyone is so blaze and seems determined to catch it ( which is kind of what the government want ) so my 6 weeks or keeping distance from people feels like a waste of time. Also, you can do your bit here, but everyones social event now seems to be a trip to the supermarket, the virus spreading throughout the population is completely unavoidable with these measure.
 
In terms of population, Belgium has been hit incredibly badly.

To match the rate of deaths per million people the UK would have to suffer over 36,000 deaths from COVID-19.

Why so bad there?
 
People near me in the Netherlands have given up. I am a guy who likes my space from people, and I found 3 strategic walks for my dog where we would possibly meet 2 or 3 people in the spac of 1-2 hours. Every day it's packed, big groups at benches eating and drinking, clearly excursions involving more than one household, clothes shops and coffee shops are still open. Its' go to the point where I think they should just open the pubs and restaurants again. Everyone is so blaze and seems determined to catch it ( which is kind of what the government want ) so my 6 weeks or keeping distance from people feels like a waste of time. Also, you can do your bit here, but everyones social event now seems to be a trip to the supermarket, the virus spreading throughout the population is completely unavoidable with these measure.

So it’s not the British mentality really - seems overall the public have been pretty well behaved compared to other countries
 
The new cases total has plateaued and is not coming down as it should have done 3 and ¾ weeks after lock down. That tells me that transmission is still occurring between isolated households.
IMO changes must be made to queuing and shopping pronto. I wont bother you with my opinions as to what my changes should be. You know what they are. Needless to say stopping exercise outside houses is not one of the changes required.
 
A highly intelligent man, merely going against the grain, everything he says, he can back up with believable theories .

I am surprised that you are immediately dismissive.
Oh absolutely, if you trust the host on his guests achievements.


Rashid Buttar is an American osteopathicphysician from Charlotte, North Carolina. He is known for his controversial use of chelation therapy for numerous conditions, including autism and cancer.[1] He has been reprimanded by the North Carolina Board of Medical Examiners for unethical treatment of patients.[2]

Buttar was born in London in 1966 and immigrated with his parents to the U.S. at the age of 9. He attended Washington University, graduating with a degree in biology and theology, and then earned his degree in osteopathy at Des Moines University. He worked as a surgeon with the U.S. Army for several years.[3][non-primary source needed]

He came to public attention in 2009 when he used chelation therapy on a woman named Desiree Jennings, who claimed to have lost her ability to walk or talk normally after receiving a flu shot.[1][4] He has been criticized for his use of chelation,[1] and for his use of intravenous hydrogen peroxide to treat cancer.[5]

In 2007, Buttar was charged by the North Carolina Board of Medical Examiners with unethical treatment of four cancer patients.[6]The panel recommended that Buttar's "license be suspended indefinitely, but that the suspension be immediately stayed".[7] In 2010 the board, in response to this and other concerns, chose to formally reprimand Buttar but allowed him to continue to practice.[2][8]

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He’s an antivaxer quack saying this is all a hoax for control and he’s also stating 5G technology can cause CV19. And you think he can back up his theories. Jog on.
 
Oh absolutely, if you trust the host on his guests achievements.


Rashid Buttar is an American osteopathicphysician from Charlotte, North Carolina. He is known for his controversial use of chelation therapy for numerous conditions, including autism and cancer.[1] He has been reprimanded by the North Carolina Board of Medical Examiners for unethical treatment of patients.[2]

Buttar was born in London in 1966 and immigrated with his parents to the U.S. at the age of 9. He attended Washington University, graduating with a degree in biology and theology, and then earned his degree in osteopathy at Des Moines University. He worked as a surgeon with the U.S. Army for several years.[3][non-primary source needed]

He came to public attention in 2009 when he used chelation therapy on a woman named Desiree Jennings, who claimed to have lost her ability to walk or talk normally after receiving a flu shot.[1][4] He has been criticized for his use of chelation,[1] and for his use of intravenous hydrogen peroxide to treat cancer.[5]

In 2007, Buttar was charged by the North Carolina Board of Medical Examiners with unethical treatment of four cancer patients.[6]The panel recommended that Buttar's "license be suspended indefinitely, but that the suspension be immediately stayed".[7] In 2010 the board, in response to this and other concerns, chose to formally reprimand Buttar but allowed him to continue to practice.[2][8]

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He’s a quack saying this is all a hoax for control and he’s also stating 5G technology can cause CV19. And you think he can back up his theories. Jog on.

No I said "He says" , he could back up his theories.
Personally I didn't need to look up his resume to realise he was a twat
 
No I said "He says" , he could back up his theories.
Personally I didn't need to look up his resume to realise he was a twat
No, you say something very different:

“everything he says, he can back up with believable theories .”

You may not mean it to, but that reads as he can back up everything he says. Glad we agree he’s a twat. As is the poster that continually posts his conspiracy theory shite.
 
No, you say something very different:

“everything he says, he can back up with believable theories .”

You may not mean it to, but that reads as he can back up everything he says. Glad we agree he’s a twat. As is the poster that continually posts his conspiracy theory shite.

To be fair he was getting prime time exposure.
Also some of the shite that Trump spouts is
equally ridiculous, and he will be re-elected.
 
Again these are just words. can you give examples? The reason I ask is that i see examples of all of that all around the world already.
I do, as well.

But there are many examples of people — some in high positions (so with an outsized influence) — that have not and are not exercising many of these attributes. Many of those examples are not appropriate for this thread.

But some are: COVID-19 deniers or those that deny the severity of the pandemic. Or those that argue that the actions taken to mitigate the pandemic are worse than the pandemic itself (completely ignoring the direct human impact of unhindered pandemic, including severe economic damage). Or those that were advocating for delayed response in order to see how bad it would actually get (many with self-serving motives). Or those lobbing racial abuse (or worse) toward people of Asian descent. Or those disseminating conspiracy theories (some with geopolitical or racist/xenophobic connotations). Or those rejecting aid from other nations due to political conflicts. Or those that reject relevant science to this crisis outright.

Some of those examples are unfortunately becoming more prevalent now, magnified by high profile persons.

My point was that those actions do not serve the common good and the quicker we cease them and focus on the “mere words” — which are real aspirations that I and many others are doing there best to work toward and embody (to the best of our ability) — the better off we will collectively be.

By the way, as we have not spoken in sometime, I wanted to say I hope you and your family are doing well and avoiding the worst of this. We were meant to be in Switzerland to visit the missus’ family and see her best friend married next month but those plans have been postponed — perhaps we can grab a pint the next time we are there after things settle down?
 
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