COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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This crisis has confirmed that our structure of national government is not fit for purpose. Whitehall is essentially set up the same way it was in the 1950s and is incapable of making rapid decisions. Our political system is even slower. The most nimble countries seem to have had the best success with this virus. Everything in the UK seems to be top-down which is a very old-fashioned way of managing any organisation.
Unfortunately the leadership diagram of the fight against CV that the NHS provides is typical of every pyramid organagram from about 50 years ago. They talk about flattening the curve when flattening the management never mind the leadership.pyramid would be more effective.
Cannot see a Government structure being more up to date than the NHS one.
 
OK here we go, brief ballpark takeaways from the ONS stats, and ignoring time variations:
1. An additional 19.19% of COVID-19 specific deaths have occured outside hospital to 10th April.
2. An additional number of non COVID-19 deaths are occurring WRT to average deaths. This equates to roughly 21.57% of COVID-19 hospital deaths reported to 10th April.
3. Add 1 and 2 together and you get the 40% total that is being reported in the media.
4. Peak deaths may have occurred on the 8th of April as deaths were lower on the 9th and 10th of April
5. Apply these percentages to all UK excess above average deaths and you would have the following UK totals as of yesterday, the 20th April.
Total UK COVID-19 hospital deaths = 16,509
Total COVID-19 deaths = 19, 677
Other deaths resulting from pandemic = 3,561
Grand total = 23,238

All these figures will change next Tuesday.
Are those additional 3561 deaths attributable to people dying prematurely from non-covid illnesses because of - for example - cancellation or deferral of surgical procedures or cancer treatment?
 
yes its the first job
To add a note of levity: when my grandad was in the last throes we gathered at my aunt's house, my mum, dad, her sister and all the cousins. My uncle, in hushed sombre tones, came in to the house, sat down and said, "I'm afraid Harold has died" Without a second's thought, my cousin piped up, "Can I have his telly, cos mine's shite". So, sometimes, registering the death isn't the first thing kith and kin think about.
 
Yes but if we all wore a cloth covering over our mouth and nose, everybody would get some protection because their wouldn't be very much aerosol particles in the air to breath in or indeed splater on surfaces that we could pick up on our hands.
No masks consumed. Reduced spread. Everybody wins. Not if you're in SAGE though, where common sense doesn't exist.

At some stage they will need to change strategy, and recommendations . I am not sure yet what soon they will use
 
Are those additional 3561 deaths attributable to people dying prematurely from non-covid illnesses because of - for example - cancellation or deferral of surgical procedures or cancer treatment?
Not going to A&E for minor things that get much worse later get will cover a lot of them.
The biggest one though is dementia. My daughter who does "Care of the Elderly" isn't surprised though as confusion leads to stress and can trigger heart attacks, strokes and all sorts of other trauma events.
Sadly, she expects cancer deaths will rise later on in the year.
 
Not going to A&E for minor things that get much worse later get will cover a lot of them.
The biggest one though is dementia. My daughter who does "Care of the Elderly" isn't surprised though as confusion leads to stress and can trigger heart attacks, strokes and all sorts of other trauma events.
Sadly, she expects cancer deaths will rise later on in the year.
Thanks,it's a significant add-on to the already depressing total.
 
At some stage they will need to change strategy, and recommendations . I am not sure yet what soon they will use
Public transport is unusable till they do something. Possibly working in an office is untenable too. They simply just kick start the next wave.
The lack of common sence with our scientific experts is simply breathtaking.
 
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having registered the deaths of two parents an aunt I was responsible for and my mother in law it is actually one the first priorities.
Sadly, I concur. Especially as I live more than 500 miles away from where my relative died. I didn't know anyone else felt the same way. Sorry for your loss btw. Doesn't matter when it was it can't be easy.
 
Public transport is unusable till they do something. Possibly working in an office is untenable too. They simply just kick start the next wave.
The lack of common sence with our scientific experts is simply breathtaking.

highlighted by them in the early days saying football matches and crowds could continue because being in an open space is better than packed in the pub.

even if that is right how the fuck does he think 50000 people get to a football match. Has he been on a tram on match day .
 
having registered the deaths of two parents an aunt I was responsible for and my mother in law it is actually one the first priorities.
You can’t register a death without a death certificate.

A death certificate is not available for around 5-7 days at best as two GP’s have to sign it and see the body.

After you receive the death certificate, you may then make an appointment to register the death.
 
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I wasn't being flippant, well I guess I was, but I certainly didn't intend to do that down. Its tragic and I had to register the death of my wife in the 2nd week of January so I know how horrible it is.
My point was that that graph mearly shows the standard delay between a death occurring and it being registered.
So a complete and utter waste of time.
That's terrible for you. No more words.
 
You can’t register a death without a death certificate.

A death certificate is not available for around 5-7 deaths at best as two GP’s have to sign it and see the body.

After you receive the death certificate, you may then make an appointment to register the death.
You have to wait for another 5-7 people to die before you can get the certificate?

Wow, that’s harsh.
 
You can’t register a death without a death certificate.

A death certificate is not available for around 5-7 deaths at best as two GP’s have to sign it and see the body.

After you receive the death certificate, you may then make an appointment to register the death.
Might be quicker with hospital deaths. I've recently had to register one in Scotland. It was ready for me in 2 days.
 
You can’t register a death without a death certificate.

A death certificate is not available for around 5-7 deaths at best as two GP’s have to sign it and see the body.

After you receive the death certificate, you may then make an appointment to register the death.
Well when my mum died in hospital me and my sister went to the hospital's bereavement office later the same day - they had the signed medical certificates ready and the death certificates were produced while we waited. We were fortunate in the sense that there isn't always someone available on-site who is qualified to produce the death certificates but it can be done the same day.
 
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