COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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I will be very surprised if it does anything other than underpin the veracity of what I have said in my post about where the responsibility resides/resided for the planning of disasters, including pandemics. In fact - forget surprised, I am certain that it will underpin those views - simply because they are factual.

The problem is that people confuse accountability with responsibility and also delivery.

Of course SoSs bear ultimate accountability for their departments/briefs - we have seen no end of resignations of SoSs across governments over many years due to some major event/embarrassment. When something major happens, heads must roll - and the appropriate SoS or Minister is the obvious individual to provide satisfaction.

But SoSs and ministers come and go and are often seen by the parts of the CS owning that area as inconvenient but likely temporary distractions to be managed. I do not mean that as a particular criticism - how many changes has there been to Defence, Home Office and Health has there been in the past 15 years? Meanwhile the departments - in this case the DHSC and the NHS Board continue with the strategies and delivery for which they are responsible.

With regards to Health, it has long been acknowledged that there has been a need for a level of devolved accountability/responsibility - the ability to manage a long-term (say 20 years) strategy to transform the service into an integrated Health & Social Care Service Provision. That was the Brief given to Simon Stevens when he was appointed and it is the role of DHSC to work to support the NHS in the development of strategies and the NHS Board responsibility to manage delivery - including procurement and supply chain management.
That's a hell of a long reply considering my post didn't attempt to apportion blame to any single area and you hadn't read the article anyway!

FWIW there seems to have been a collective failure by DHSC, PHE and NHS management to implement the lessons of the simulated pandemic.
 
I am afraid that you do not understand the model - and I mean no insult there, I am just being factual.

The short answer to your initial question is a straight-forward no.

It is for DHSC and the NHS Board to establish such policies and, through their commissioning and procurement functions, set out any such requirement for management of stock levels - e.g. in contractual SLAs.

This all seems to be a widespread lack of understanding of how things work - some of it quite understandable - some of it (certainly not aimed at you) seemingly agenda driven.

You are patronising and lack communication skills and emotional intelligence. That is being factual, no offence. :)

You suggest that the DHSC is independent of Govt. Which is incorrect.
 
: Home Office does not have figure for proportion of people coming into UK who might have COVID-19

We should know that imo


England 445

Wales 73

Scotland 63

Ireland to come

108 nhs and care workers have died
 
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Heathrow today. I suppose they have more chance catching it hear than wherever it is they came from.


No one has really done worse that us so if they want to come in, that's up to them. I wouldn't be, though!

This does raise a wider question of if/when other countries do start to improve, will anyone be that keen on letting anyone from the UK or US in?! This maybe the thinking behind BA redundancies i.e very limited places to fly to from the UK
 
I hope people are used to people dying. I mean no one even noticed until we started putting a covid tag on it. I read some info yesterday although I'm not going to search it out again, that were 4 flue seasons which accounted for more deaths than the current covid numbers in the UK.
I'm certain that covid will pass them as the weeks go on but it's worth keeping that in mind.

we are extremely lucky in the country that our hygiene and health system means that we are relatively sheltered by living with death, particularly contagious diseases , this is why this such a shock and has brought normal life to a halt.

people are saying this will be horrible when it hits Africa , yet Covid is a relatively tame disease and low mortality rate for the diseases that other parts of the world (non western) deal with daily.

ebola, hiv/ aids, yellow fever, diseases caused by drinking filthy water, rabies let alone malaria which has over 400,000 deaths annually the majority of which are sadly children.
 
No one has really done worse that us so if they want to come in, that's up to them. I wouldn't be, though!

This does raise a wider question of if/when other countries do start to improve, will anyone be that keen on letting anyone from the UK or US in?! This maybe the thinking behind BA redundancies i.e very limited places to fly to from the UK

Depends what shape we're in at the time I suppose. Greece have said they allow tourists from UK by July (I think). Other countries will probably want us to have it more under control, which I hope it would be by July/Aug.
 
I haven't checked recently but after the first link on here I watched one of the videos and immediately checked in the description. There was definitely a PayPal link. It may be removed now.

There you go:
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Did you have to go through every video to find that? I check most descriptions and when checking then I checked randomly about 15 videos and nothing.

Edit: Checking again and its on a fair few since march but im checking the same videos that I checked before that didn't show it.
 
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Interesting analysis from ex head of health statistics at ONS, I’m not gonna say positive as it wouldn’t be appropriate but he’s got the death total quite abit lower than the FT, there is abit of discussion from him why it could be.



This one is better news too if correct.


I used to report to Jamie when I worked for ONS (Population Statistics) at Titchfield. He knows his stuff. Sharp as a tack.
 
I hope people are used to people dying. I mean no one even noticed until we started putting a covid tag on it. I read some info yesterday although I'm not going to search it out again, that there were 4 flu seasons which accounted for more deaths than the current covid numbers in the UK.
I'm certain that covid will pass them as the weeks go on but it's worth keeping that in mind.
We don't see death figures and faces/stories /frontline accounts /daily briefings for flu,so i dont see your point really,this is completely different times
 
I hope people are used to people dying. I mean no one even noticed until we started putting a covid tag on it. I read some info yesterday although I'm not going to search it out again, that there were 4 flu seasons which accounted for more deaths than the current covid numbers in the UK.
I'm certain that covid will pass them as the weeks go on but it's worth keeping that in mind.

can you recall what years those were from? its not in the last 10 but would be handy to know as Im trying to keep a comparion going.
 
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