Oh look! In the middle of the COVID crisis a vegan narcissist pops up and makes it all about their issue. There is a vegan thread for your lot to moan on mate go rant to your mates on there.
I’m sorry I’m not having that.
When the rest of the world looks at what you’re doing in disgust, it’s pretty clear you’re the odd one out, when it comes to diet.
Some animals bring disease more than others and are known to do so.
You can’t tell me seafood is the same as eating a spider or eating a cow is the same as eating a bat.
There’s a reason no one else eats these things.
Think it only far to point out that not all Chinese eat 'exotically'. I've spoken to quite a few from around the country who find the practice just as abhorrent as we do. Millions couldn't afford to either.
No species has dominated the natural world like humans in the last two hundred years. Not even remotely close. Included in that is behaviour that greatly increases pollution in the air, the sea and the ground, is transforming the biological landscape of the planet and creating the ideal environment for a virus to spread. All these factors have been caused by our (relatively) recent dominance of the natural world. This, based on what went before it, is novel, unprecedented in fact. Within a vanishingly short period. So, man’s behaviour over the last two hundred years represents something that has never subsisted previously, and moreover those changes have occurred in the blink of an eye. Something’s changed. That is what I mean when I talk about the natural balance being disturbed. The planet is in unchartered waters in that regard and I believe that consequences flow from that.
So that is my ‘evidence’, and whilst you may not agree with it, it is still founded in rationality. I think that events like this and more unpredictable weather will become increasingly common going forward because of our undeniable impact upon the natural world. I hope I’m wrong, but what is the alternative? That we can dominate the natural world with impunity? Doubtful. I believe there are consequences to our impact on the natural world and this disease, even though it is caused by an unthinking pathogen simply looking for a host to replicate itself within, is an example of that.
The world we’ve created gave rise to this virus jumping from species to species and human behaviour in the modern world aided and abetted its spread at a speed that was inconceivable before industrialisation. In that sense we’ve ‘caused’ this and I believe if we continue to act in the same way as a species, then more is to follow.
They haven't at all. The Chinese weren't running these wet markets for these animals prior to the 1970's, that's the point.But they have. WE haven't, but other parts of the world have. Asia grow and consume fruit and vegetables we havnt even heard of, heck rice was once unheard of. Should that too be seen as a risk? maybe, but it is part of that geolocational society and culture.
Could be because it isn’t a lockdown, and hasn’t been announced as one yet.This isnt really a lockdown is it ? It lead by our employers and if they say they are staying open we have to go in. I mean bike shops , why do the government think that in a pandemic we all going to rush out a buy new bikes or fix up the one in the shed. Solicitors still open, some building sites open some building supplies open. It really is a miss and hit lockdown. In my household once we have finished self isolating, we are all (3 of us ) back to work as normal. Local council worker,( grass cutting) solicitors secretary and bike shop worker doesnt feel like a lock down to us !
I'm getting pretty anxious about all this. I work in a supermarket which exposes myself to a lot of different people and have a horrible feeling this thing might finish me off.
My medical history has all been respiratory related. Pleurisy, pneumonia, two collapsed lungs which required surgery which led to complications and a prolonged chest drain and now I'm diagnosed with bullous emphysema.
I've raised concern with the night manager but he stated unless I receive one of those letters from my GP I'm fine to work. I'm already on a reduced hours contract because of occupational health.
I'm thinking of self isolating for the good my anxiety more than anything.
I'm getting pretty anxious about all this. I work in a supermarket which exposes myself to a lot of different people and have a horrible feeling this thing might finish me off.
My medical history has all been respiratory related. Pleurisy, pneumonia, two collapsed lungs which required surgery which led to complications and a prolonged chest drain and now I'm diagnosed with bullous emphysema.
I've raised concern with the night manager but he stated unless I receive one of those letters from my GP I'm fine to work. I'm already on a reduced hours contract because of occupational health.
I'm thinking of self isolating for the good my anxiety more than anything.
Yes, that’s undoubtedly the counter-argument.I have a lot of sympathy for your argument and the way man has shaped this planet in the last century or so but the most destructive plague was the Black Death in the 1300’s, which also effected cattle, pigs etc, when man’s dominance of the planet was much less marked and, given the era, spread quickly through Asia and Europe. There was also the Sweating Sickness in England starting in the 1400’s. Population density, interconnected travel and our impact on the natural world in these times was negligible compared to today.
Arguable that our dominance allows us to control and mitigate these occurrences much more than in previous centuries.