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SilverFox2 said:
In Spain they have an NIE that iis like a NI number but it duplicates as a unique tax number and appears on driving licence, health card etc. and is asked for in shops when purchasing anything above 5 or 6 hundred euros. Certainly all purchasers of say second homes in Spain need one irrespective of nationality and car purchase has a similar requirement.
Issued at main police stations and needs bank account details to be provided, again to prevent fraud etc..
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Is there any evidence that countries with ID cards suffer less fraud/ID theft than those without?
 
South Korea tightens restrictions after spike in cases

Officials in South Korea have re-implemented lockdown measures in the metropolitan area of Seoul, home to half the country’s 52 million population, following the biggest spike in infections in nearly two months.

Museums, parks and art galleries will all be closed again from Friday for two weeks, said health minister Park Neung-hoo, while companies have been urged to reintroduce flexible working among other measures.

“We have decided to strengthen all quarantine measures in the metropolitan area for two weeks from tomorrow to June 14,” he said, reports the AFP news agency.

Residents of Seoul have also been advised to avoid social gatherings or going to crowded places, including restaurants and bars, while religious facilities have been asked to be extra vigilant with quarantine measures. There were no new delays, however, to the phased re-opening of schools that is currently underway.

“The next two weeks are crucial to prevent the spread of the infection in the metropolitan area,” Park said, adding: “We will have to return to social distancing if we fail.”

Restrictions had been lifted across the country on 6 May after the outbreak appeared to be brought under control. We have more on the latest cluster of
 
Can you imagine? Matt Hancock says to Preston last night with track and trace people could be in repeated lockdown if they come into contact. After this Cummings fiasco what percentage of the population will not
adhere to it?
A) 98%
B)99%
C)100%
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
We don’t really have any liberties to start with.

We have to get up most days a week to go to work (well we do when not in lockdown) to pay for food, shelter, health and safety... and we’re already taxed before we can even pay for any of that; just to make the economy of the country tick over and keep the richest people in society rich and get richer.

Liberty is doing whatever you like, but unless we have the money to pay for it we can’t do it.

Everytime we switch our phone, tablet, laptop, computer or tv viewing box on; we are being tracked and monitored. Everything we ever search for, anywhere we ever go and everything we ever watch is tracked and most likely stored on a database.

Anytime we use our debit or credit cards to pay for things, what we buy is recorded and likely stored in a database. Even if we use cash, we are clocked on CCTV buying whatever it is we’ve bought.

The only liberties we have is the free time we get in the evenings and weekends, as long as it doesn’t involve using any technology or buying anything. Even then we can’t stay out too late because we’ve got to be up for work the next day to keep getting those richest richer.
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Sad, but true.
 
BLUEMATT23 said:
Very interesting.
I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories obviously this has been a dreadful pandemic which I have lost people that I knew.
That said their has been a lot of odd things happen, for example an unprecedented spell of nice weather for 2 months that hasn't been seen before for years now.
Coincidence or to do with better air quality?
I also think the government is now trying to control us even further and personally I worry that we wont be able to travel abroad ever again, go to football ever again or do a host of other things ever again.
Am I being ridiculous and paranoid?
Maybe but I can foresee some of this happening.
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Your weather question is really fucking interesting.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
South Korea tightens restrictions after spike in cases

Officials in South Korea have re-implemented lockdown measures in the metropolitan area of Seoul, home to half the country’s 52 million population, following the biggest spike in infections in nearly two months.

Museums, parks and art galleries will all be closed again from Friday for two weeks, said health minister Park Neung-hoo, while companies have been urged to reintroduce flexible working among other measures.

“We have decided to strengthen all quarantine measures in the metropolitan area for two weeks from tomorrow to June 14,” he said, reports the AFP news agency.

Residents of Seoul have also been advised to avoid social gatherings or going to crowded places, including restaurants and bars, while religious facilities have been asked to be extra vigilant with quarantine measures. There were no new delays, however, to the phased re-opening of schools that is currently underway.

“The next two weeks are crucial to prevent the spread of the infection in the metropolitan area,” Park said, adding: “We will have to return to social distancing if we fail.”

Restrictions had been lifted across the country on 6 May after the outbreak appeared to be brought under control. We have more on the latest cluster of
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Quite concerning, especially given how adept the South Koreans have been in identifying transmission routes and the sophisticated mechanisms available to them to track and trace. They appear to think the new infections come via “...workplaces, crammed schools and karaoke rooms in the metropolitan area”. However, those words cover a myriad of places, so it should be a warning to all countries.

I spoke to someone in Wuhan yesterday and primary schools are still not open.
 
I'm With Stupid said:
Is there any evidence that countries with ID cards suffer less fraud/ID theft than those without?
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To be honest I dont know.
However I think it certainly makes the vendor record the identity on larger purchases.
I normally pay with a credit card but cash payments are treated exactly the same.
Because it is not possible to get an NIE without a bank account number ,(confusingly no bank account without an NIE as well), all large cash transactions are theoretically monitored but who knows.
Because I get money to Spain via say Transferwise for best rates I need to indicate source of such cash in UK eg Natwest so money traceable.
Tax treaty between Spain and Uk now means access by both countries to same data means tax payment is now checkable in both countries so especially in Spain things are tightening up.
 
Nellies left peg said:
Can you imagine? Matt Hancock says to Preston last night with track and trace people could be in repeated lockdown if they come into contact. After this Cummings fiasco what percentage of the population will not
adhere to it?
A) 98%
B)99%
C)100%
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I'd be surprised if anybody does it now. Big fuck up.
 
SilverFox2 said:
To be honest I dont know.
However I think it certainly makes the vendor record the identity on larger purchases.
I normally pay with a credit card but cash payments are treated exactly the same.
Because it is not possible to get an NIE without a bank account number ,(confusingly no bank account without an NIE as well), all large cash transactions are theoretically monitored but who knows.
Because I get money to Spain via say Transferwise for best rates I need to indicate source of such cash in UK eg Natwest so money traceable.
Tax treaty between Spain and Uk now means access by both countries to same data means tax payment is now checkable in both countries so especially in Spain things are tightening up.
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I have an ID card in Malaysia. And you can't get a SIM card without your passport or ID card, which is then registered with the phone company. I'm not sure what it achieves. I think the main argument against the ID card scheme in the UK was always the cost, and they didn't seem to do a good job communicating the supposed benefits.
 
Ric said:
Those figures are as depressing as they are damning.
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Not surprising at all given the UK population density, and the prevalence of Covid-19 risk factors in UK society (Obesity, Diabetes, Dementia and High Blood Pressure). Add to this a government science establishment with zero common sence and total arrogance (with respect to face coverings and previous far east epidemics) as well as a top down command beuauracracy in health and civil administration that couldn't be tactically nimble in a billion years and you get where we are.
Still we did better than other countries in terms of coronavirus in care homes so that's one small mercy.
It wouldn't matter who was on the bridge.
The only thing that could have been done better is bringing in social distancing and lockdown earlier and you need 20/20 hindsight for that or be called @Chippy_boy
 
Gabriel said:
Quite concerning, especially given how adept the South Koreans have been in identifying transmission routes and the sophisticated mechanisms available to them to track and trace. They appear to think the new infections come via “...workplaces, crammed schools and karaoke rooms in the metropolitan area”. However, those words cover a myriad of places, so it should be a warning to all countries.

I spoke to someone in Wuhan yesterday and primary schools are still not open.
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Yeah, very concerning and I just hope we're watching what's happening over there in the next few weeks with a close eye. Not learning from them first time round was bad enough but blink at what's happening now and hell mend us. It kinda puts a huge dent in any hopes that this thing is fading away or weakening naturally as well, shows that the only thing which has stopped it in its tracks was very strong social distancing.
 
I Cant see anyone following our governments guidance anymore. Why should they? They don't follow it either.
 
jonmcity said:
I Cant see anyone following our governments guidance anymore. Why should they? They don't follow it either.
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And it's because of attitudes like that, that lockdown for most will last longer and people like you will moan how your liberties are being curtailed and the government is useless. If Cummings had said put your head in the oven to kill off the virus would you have followed his advice?
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Yeah, very concerning and I just hope we're watching what's happening over there in the next few weeks with a close eye. Not learning from them first time round was bad enough but blink at what's happening now and hell mend us. It kinda puts a huge dent in any hopes that this thing is fading away or weakening naturally as well, shows that the only thing which has stopped it in its tracks was very strong social distancing.
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Sometimes wonder if we learn anything at all AB, let alone from anywhere else. All we ever seem to hear is how different everyone else's circumstances are and how exceptional we are. South Korea has a large population, many of whom are concentrated in Seoul, suggesting it is not entirely dissimilar. However, it seems to prize public health and saving the lives of its citizens above everything else, so in that respect...
 
Eds said:
And it's because of attitudes like that, that lockdown for most will last longer and people like you will moan how your liberties are being curtailed and the government is useless. If Cummings had said put your head in the oven to kill off the virus would you have followed his advice?
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Any form of government control ended when they did not sack turtle head.
 
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