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Summerbuzz said:
OK, I'm warning everyone that this compared to my last post, you would be forgiven for thinking some manic depressive quasi moodswing stuff had taken place. Don't read if you don't want to understand why I'm proud of our country but still extremely tired and angry.
Yeah, the numbers are really grim. As bad as I expected and I've been pessimistic. All I can say is that it was always going to be this way, and the last two weeks of failure to get the crucial equipment hasn't happened overnight. I'm disappointed that the govt hasn't found ways to facilitate people's good will when it comes to care parcels but the reality is it shouldn't be like that. I've always been scornful of the idea that things will change when something goes wrong, but I really hope people are paying attention now. We've been treading water at best for as long as I can remember, fucking up UC so badly that the main winners are fraudsters. Cutting everything willy nilly then wondering why it's all a bit shit. I really hope we're paying attention and we can raise our game. My thinking is that people having a go at each other, reposting pictures of some idiots out and all piling in, us arguing over things that can't be changed now is the sort of thing that keeps the pressure off the politicians to do their bit. What we're seeing now is not clever. People should remember. Government and Institutions are never perfect but we've just been overwhelmingly self-defeating and politically grandstanding for as long as I remember. We should expect a whole lot more. We do more for each other than the govt deserve, and I'm always struck that half of what goes on in govt would make people cringe and swear at their workplace, we'd expect more from ourselves and our bosses. We're pretty good. It's a wake up call for people as to how much standards of government have slipped down the years. May was an abysmal sit-it-out merchant who wasted all of our time. Boris is failing really badly to deliver for the people. I have little faith that Corbyn's lot would be doing much better, they were blatently totally focused on virtue signalling and saying what the party clique wanted to hear, and the union powerbrokers needed, rather than actually risking changing the things they love to moan about.




Same deal, this next one is a proper little rant. Avoid if you like by all means.
I'd ask you to reconsider that point of view. People take news differently. Some are offended by negativity but that's understandable. Others feel they need to make the message clear because some are only just getting it. I don't really like that you've casually insulted any number of people you didn't bother to name, taken on the role of a mind reader who can see they are just getting a kick out of it, because all you're doing is perpetuating this cycle where we split down the middle on an issue due to our bias and worldview, put everyone else on the other side, and at that point, people just come out with some rubbish instead of communicating with the other lot in order to understand their message and their motives. It's always a mistake to say casually assume the worst of people, and never more so when you are in the same situation. Please consider that you are taking aim at people, some of whom who are scared, ill, facing the death of loved ones (and NOT just the elderly, but for example, my sister, recently treated for Breast Cancer)... some of whom they will never see again.

GDPR? That's the most bizarre example of whataboutism I think I've encountered in some time. There's more negativity in that, and the other normal tropes of lazy political argument that we've become used to than people ever realise. It's time to STOP. We're in real trouble now, having ended up with a parliament and poliltics that couldn't if it wanted to form a government of national unity, despite us being in such danger that we have to curtail our basic liberties for an undetermined amount of time just so we can sit and watch our national services fail, and our state, our country, fail to protect us from what is - any day now - going to be a failure to offer reasonably humane outcomes to thousands of loved and valued friends and relatives who are suffering through no fault of their own. And this ISN'T the worst case. We're locked up, missing family and friends. Millions are newly impoverished or facing financial uncertainty, the frail are dying prematurely, we don't have the equipment to offer them the best chance of life. We haven't yet seen a down turn in deaths in any European country that all those Sombrero graphs clearly shows. We've been given schedules for testing and told after they've passed that they will now be next months goal.

Under the circumstances, what exactly SHOULD our perspective be? What WOULD require a bit of urgency? What WOULD make a bit of hang-wringing and generally very reasonable negative appraisal acceptable enough that you would restrain yourself from dismissing us as people who just want to take a perverse enjoyment in things?
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Water off a ducks back, mate. Anyone who still mentions ‘scaremongering’ is definitely best off putting me on ignore.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Does anybody else think that if the put PPE distribution in the hands of army, navy and RAF logistics and tell them - " that pile of stuff there needs to go to these locations on this list asp" things will get better. Not sorted, not perfect but much better to take it out of all the meddling hands... they could also say any **** gets in your way shoot them.........
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Yes! The army have been brilliant so far with what they’ve been allowed to do.

We need to ramp up the army!
 
Summerbuzz said:
Yeah, the numbers are really grim. As bad as I expected and I've been pessimistic. All I can say is that it was always going to be this way, and the last two weeks of failure to get the crucial equipment hasn't happened overnight. I'm disappointed that the govt hasn't found ways to facilitate people's good will when it comes to care parcels but the reality is it shouldn't be like that. I've always been scornful of the idea that things will change when something goes wrong, but I really hope people are paying attention now. We've been treading water at best for as long as I can remember, fucking up UC so badly that the main winners are fraudsters. Cutting everything willy nilly then wondering why it's all a bit shit. I really hope we're paying attention and we can raise our game. My thinking is that people having a go at each other, reposting pictures of some idiots out and all piling in, us arguing over things that can't be changed now is the sort of thing that keeps the pressure off the politicians to do their bit. What we're seeing now is not clever. People should remember. Government and Institutions are never perfect but we've just been overwhelmingly self-defeating and politically grandstanding for as long as I remember. We should expect a whole lot more. We do more for each other than the govt deserve, and I'm always struck that half of what goes on in govt would make people cringe and swear at their workplace, we'd expect more from ourselves and our bosses. We're pretty good. It's a wake up call for people as to how much standards of government have slipped down the years. May was an abysmal sit-it-out merchant who wasted all of our time. Boris is failing really badly to deliver for the people. I have little faith that Corbyn's lot would be doing much better, they were blatently totally focused on virtue signalling and saying what the party clique wanted to hear, and the union powerbrokers needed, rather than actually risking changing the things they love to moan about.



I'd ask you to reconsider that point of view. People take news differently. Some are offended by negativity but that's understandable. Others feel they need to make the message clear because some are only just getting it. I don't really like that you've casually insulted any number of people you didn't bother to name, taken on the role of a mind reader who can see they are just getting a kick out of it, because all you're doing is perpetuating this cycle where we split down the middle on an issue due to our bias and worldview, put everyone else on the other side, and at that point, people just come out with some rubbish instead of communicating with the other lot in order to understand their message and their motives. It's always a mistake to say casually assume the worst of people, and never more so when you are in the same situation. Please consider that you are taking aim at people, some of whom who are scared, ill, facing the death of loved ones (and NOT just the elderly, but for example, my sister, recently treated for Breast Cancer)... some of whom they will never see again.

GDPR? That's the most bizarre example of whataboutism I think I've encountered in some time. There's more negativity in that, and the other normal tropes of lazy political argument that we've become used to than people ever realise. It's time to STOP. We're in real trouble now, having ended up with a parliament and poliltics that couldn't if it wanted to form a government of national unity, despite us being in such danger that we have to curtail our basic liberties for an undetermined amount of time just so we can sit and watch our national services fail, and our state, our country, fail to protect us from what is - any day now - going to be a failure to offer reasonably humane outcomes to thousands of loved and valued friends and relatives who are suffering through no fault of their own. And this ISN'T the worst case. We're locked up, missing family and friends. Millions are newly impoverished or facing financial uncertainty, the frail are dying prematurely, we don't have the equipment to offer them the best chance of life. We haven't yet seen a down turn in deaths in any European country that all those Sombrero graphs clearly shows. We've been given schedules for testing and told after they've passed that they will now be next months goal.

Under the circumstances, what exactly SHOULD our perspective be? What WOULD require a bit of urgency? What WOULD make a bit of hang-wringing and generally very reasonable negative appraisal acceptable enough that you would restrain yourself from dismissing us as people who just want to take a perverse enjoyment in things?
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Too late for a long answer but many people on here need to think about what they post as they are not experts on this matter but they think they are. As for GDPR I was trying to make the point that people were experts on this subject now they are virologists, tomorrow logistics experts, next week it will be something else. If I want to ignore these sorts of people I will as after all I probably wouldn’t seek them out in a pub and become besties. Those on here that I have met and interacted with will hopefully know me as an intelligent, rational and sensible human being but I don’t have time for fools. Goodnight
 
Indaparkside said:
I never said it wasn’t bad I said out of the population if we lost 40,000 people it is still a relatively small number overall. you said 50,000 will die in 2 weeks completely different to what I was getting at
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I said 50,000 COULD die in the next fortnight IF the current exponential trend continues. That’s a fact. Hopefully the exponential trend won’t continue and a lot less will lose their lives.
 
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