You can’t really equate our lockdown, or any of the wests, to China’s though. Ours still isn’t anywhere even close to it (probably thankfully, but it’s not a comparable, even with the caveat that their numbers will
be higher than reported).
People are talking about those things, just as they were before and they will be afterwards. Again, it’s not to do with this though, why would the current situation make them talk more about it? Most people right now will Be focussing on the actions of their own governments, as they should be. I’d like
more people to be aware of things like that as well though, just like I’d like more people to be aware of the persecution and oppression that happens closer to home too.
If you don’t want them to control an element of our 5g network, that’s fine. Like I said, I didn’t either. The reasons for that are nothing to do with Coronavirus though.
Honest question.
Does it not piss you off that our entire economy is fucked, our friends and family are being laid off and are sometimes dying, because they can’t eat fucking normal food?
Problem is in Italy it leaked before they did it, and literally thousands upped and left before it came into action, closing the stable doors after the horse bolted.MPs in Italy have said they followed China’s lead thinking they’d beat it, initially. It’s unforgivable for them to have lied over that.
Problem is in Italy it leaked before they did it, and literally thousands upped and left before it came into action, closing the stable doors after the horse bolted.
MPs in Italy have said they followed China’s lead thinking they’d beat it, initially. It’s unforgivable for them to have lied over that.
We fucked up absolutely but we didn’t have it start in our country and let it spread worldwide.
I was suspicious in the first instance, I’m now convinced we can’t trust them.
It’ll be a dark day when we let China control our infrastructure.
Looking forward is hard as we’re borrowing mental amounts of money. Pretty much all of the first world are.
Because of this, it could be a good time to write off all governmental debts as I think there will have to be some amnesty globally to stop everybody plunging into mad recessions.
It may well reset the global economy, so why not start at zero everywhere.
The random eating of live animals doesn’t anger me. I can’t get my head around it and of course it increases the chances of it starting a virus, but viruses have been around as long as we have. They will always be a threat to our species. We can’t irradiate them, but we can minimise them happening as much as we can.
The person eating the bat/mongoose/chicken didn’t want to put all humans in danger. He probably didn’t know he could.
I’m just not in the right state of mind to want to throw blame at people. I just want my household, my street, my town, my city, my region, my country etc to be ok.
Once we are through this, should I make it, I will look at what evidence is out there to see whether this was preventable (which I doubt as viruses mutate at random).
I don’t blame you for being wanting to be angry at the Chinese in some ways as anger is part of the reaction to danger and fear.
What I didn’t like was the “I’m outraged so you should be too” tone of your posts, which is why I made the comparison that I did.
I think you are a good poster when you are not angry or outraged. You make salient posts then.
When on your “high horse” you do tend to sensationalise things and portray some of the aspects of Piers.
Don’t stop being you. Your heart is in the right place. Just don’t be so shouty when on a mission!
Of course MPs in Italy said that, they didn’t follow China’s lead though, none of us have. They didn’t lockdown and they didn’t quarantine travellers. You’re saying they lied over the numbers, that’s fine, they more than likely did over the overall numbers (although I still have not heard any reason anywhere why they would include pneumonia cases that weren’t confirmed as Covid in their numbers if they were looking to actively suppress them significantly).
At the start of their outbreak though, they did say the rate of contagion was 2.6 and they also reported a mortality rate of 1.4%. The first one is similar to what other countries have reported (and our and other lockdowns that are less than China’s have already reduced that) and the mortality rate will end up being around that or significantly less, depending how far we can go with testing to prove it and also how many asymptomatic cases haven’t been accounted for.
It spreading worldwide is on everyone. Remember the WHO, even after China went into lockdown, were still advising that international travel was ok. China started self quarantining everyone travelling into and out of the country, as did some other Asian countries that limited the spread, we didn’t do that even from hotspots and still aren’t doing that now.
Blame them for the beginning of the out break absolutely and ultimately hold them accountable if you want to. Don’t let it account for the inactivity of others though and as an excuse for more than it should be. This conversation is exactly what western governments want us to be having as it detracts from thinking and talking about their own actions failures, which are the ones that now directly impact us, nothing else.
It does whittle away a few more hours until we’re all free again though, so I don’t mind it :)