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worsleyweb said:
If you don’t believe that she is being deliberating different to differentiate England and Scotland then there is no discussing this further.
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Said it before and I'll repeat it. She's the one continually asking for a 4 nation approach, which is falling on deaf Tory ears. It's blindly obvious who's choosing to do their own thing. Criticise her choices as you see fit, but levelling the 'doing it do be different' argument in her direction is absolutely absurd.
 
Fact is, we know almost exactly who this virus will kill and who it won’t. Why don’t we try explaining properly to people how the risks change hugely, once you get to 70 and have at least one serious other thing going on? They then jump hugely again at 80+ and once again at 90+. Surely we would be better off employing a strategy that looked after those at risk groups much better, rather than trying to focus on the whole of society?
If you live in the SW or East Anglia, you don’t really know what Covid is at the minute, because there’s hardly any of it there.

The other thing we know is that admissions to hospital with respiratory viruses and illness all start to rise from September onwards and many of those usual admissions (and sadly some deaths) would have happened anyway but might well now be ‘down to Covid‘.
Even today, almost 50% of outbreaks are in care homes (it’s a good job that ‘ring of steel’ has been thrown around them) and yet he says nothing about that. 25% of outbreaks are in schools (so mostly harmless) with 5% in pubs and hospitality, not that you’d know any of that if you just relied on the PM for your information.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Said it before and I'll repeat it. She's the one continually asking for a 4 nation approach, which is falling on deaf Tory ears. It's blindly obvious who's choosing to do their own thing. Criticise her choices as you see fit, but levelling the 'doing it do be different' argument in her direction is absolutely absurd.
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Wants 4 nation approach but sets crazy agendas that the other 3 nations won’t agree to. She is absurd I will give you that. Dangerous women.
 
Bovril said:
Grow up it isn't a threat it's asking for assistance. It's people like you that will turn the population against our Forces for trying to curb this virus. Nut job !!
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It’s a veiled threat, I’m sure he is aware of the general unrest spreading through the nation, and the general fear people have for their livelihoods. Could’ve done with them to ‘assist’ in London a few months ago when it was all kicking off.
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Fact is, we know almost exactly who this virus will kill and who it won’t. Why don’t we try explaining properly to people how the risks change hugely, once you get to 70 and have at least one serious other thing going on? They then jump hugely again at 80+ and once again at 90+. Surely we would be better off employing a strategy that looked after those at risk groups much better, rather than trying to focus on the whole of society?
If you live in the SW or East Anglia, you don’t really know what Covid is at the minute, because there’s hardly any of it there.

The other thing we know is that admissions to hospital with respiratory viruses and illness all start to rise from September onwards and many of those usual admissions (and sadly some deaths) would have happened anyway but might well now be ‘down to Covid‘.
Even today, almost 50% of outbreaks are in care homes (it’s a good job that ‘ring of steel’ has been thrown around them) and yet he says nothing about that. 25% of outbreaks are in schools (so mostly harmless) with 5% in pubs and hospitality, not that you’d know any of that if you just relied on the PM for your information.
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We are pursuing a strategy of targeting high risk groups - we are trying to limit the spread among the selfish non high risk people that come into contact with them.
 
oman0115 said:
It’s a veiled threat, I’m sure he is aware of the general unrest spreading through the nation, and the general fear people have for their livelihoods. Could’ve done with them to ‘assist’ in London a few months ago when it was all kicking off.
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To assist what was going on in in London a few Month's ago is not what MACC is about initially. That is for the Police to deal with unless requested which frankly would not happen.
 
cleavers said:
Without wanting to sound a twat, if the teachers have been tested because they think they might have it, they should already be isolating, otherwise they risk spreading it to others before they get a test result. Even if they feel fine and have tested because they've been in contact with someone who has tested positive, they should isolate until the test result arrives.
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No worries bud; to be absolutely clear we've followed guidance to the letter, and beyond. If staff have become symptomatic they haven't set foot in school and have arranged to be tested and haven't come back unless got neg result AND symptom free for 48hrs (and not living with anyone positive). Where staff have been in contact with positive case (we've now had two staff positives, including 1st teacher yesterday - thankfully she seems to be on mend after being "floored" by it) they've isolated until result (we had six negative results yesterday and today).
This now feels very different - I had never previously directly known anyone who had caught it. We're an average sized primary in Manchester; 3rd week in school, 2 staff positive. Rest of staff now quite nervy, especially those who are more vulnerable or live with those more vulnerable. I was contacted by the Manchester Infection Hub today, I'm in pretty much daily contact with them. A local high school now has nine hundred pupils isolating. Nine HUNDRED.
Teacher friend of mine works in Saddleworth - 18 staff off due to their own children being sent home.
In my own son's class, there are 12 children off (out of class of 31) but, thankfully, no positive cases. Yet.
We won't have to worry about everyone following the new (old) advice of working from home where you can, cos every fucker will be at home anyway looking after their kids.
 
oman0115 said:
It’s a veiled threat, I’m sure he is aware of the general unrest spreading through the nation, and the general fear people have for their livelihoods. Could’ve done with them to ‘assist’ in London a few months ago when it was all kicking off.
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Oh ffs, the military are being used to deliver testing kits and PPE. The 'backfilling' of police will most likely be setting up vehicle checkpoints on the border of areas that have been locked down so police don't have to waste time and manpower on asking folk why they are travelling into / out of said areas and can deal with crime instead.
 
Really interesting to see if not spiking in London at the same pace as up here. It would suggest the more people have had it the slower the second spike? Manchester won’t be a million behind. London at between 10 and 15 percent having had it? I have come across a few people I know having had it in recent weeks. Anecdotal again but ambulances galore today on the way home.
 
kaz7 said:
That is awful
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I am always torn by suicide too. Some say its a cowards way out - I can see that - not able to face up to issues and ducking out not caring about the people you leave behind. However I also see that there is some merit in in being the bravest way out - all of us would give anything to stay alive, I watched my mum die I know how she fought for life - there is no way I am brave enough to consider suicide
 
Is there any point in taking a test without showing any symptoms and carrying on with your daily routine only for it to come back positive
surely you’d self isolate Until you get a negative result back I only ask this as I’ve just found about what’s happened at West Ham.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Oh ffs, the military are being used to deliver testing kits and PPE. The 'backfilling' of police will most likely be setting up vehicle checkpoints on the border of areas that have been locked down so police don't have to waste time and manpower on asking folk why they are travelling into / out of said areas and can deal with crime instead.
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So the Irish border will be somewhere east of Preston then and not in the Irish Sea?
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Oh ffs, the military are being used to deliver testing kits and PPE. The 'backfilling' of police will most likely be setting up vehicle checkpoints on the border of areas that have been locked down so police don't have to waste time and manpower on asking folk why they are travelling into / out of said areas and can deal with crime instead.
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Folk scaring people thinking the Army will be armed and shoot on sight if not adhering to the rules, it really is hard sometimes to understand what goes through peoples minds.
 
worsleyweb said:
Really interesting to see if not spiking in London at the same pace as up here. It would suggest the more people have had it the slower the second spike? Manchester won’t be a million behind. London at between 10 and 15 percent having had it? I have come across a few people I know having had it in recent weeks. Anecdotal again but ambulances galore today on the way home.
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But all reports are the city of London is a ghost town thanks to home working. You can't e-mail in your virus
 
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