COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[Gaylord du Bois]

Surely London is the highest? That doesn't make sense.

That's what the scientific advisor said.

 

[Esteban de la Sexface]

What many want to know was how can we be sure that these changes won't lift the R rate above 1?

Sorry to be glib here mate, but nobody can be sure of anything.
Everything is an estimate or a guess. It's a novel virus. Nobody "knows" or is "sure" of anything.

We have to start trying to get back to some bit of normality soon, for many different reasons, doing so while keeping an eye on r0 and hospitalizations is the only current exit strategy. If they spike, we lockdown. We know lockdown works to reduce transmission.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

May have been addressed but what’s to drop anyone who wants to come here and avoid quanrantine travelling through France?

Only people from schenghen countries and the UK are allowed into France currently.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Looked at this today, just a blog but hopefully an element of truth somewhere:

https://www.gistflash.com/discovery...lation-pulmonary-thrombosis/lifestyle/health/

There is a lot of confusion in that article. Dissemindted Intravascular Coagulation (DIC) is not a pulmonary embolism (a big clot in an important place).
DIC predominantly makes you bleed to death from micro clots all over the place and can complicate any case of sepsis, and sepsis is what most Covid-19 patients are dying from.
Big clots are a real problem for Covid-19 so anti collagulants ARE being used but you can't use too much to quickly - especially with people who are frail.
(Medical advice from the front line.)

 

[johnnytapia]

Is that William Hague?
With Gavin Williamson behind?
The blind leading the blind. "Pretty" good.

 

[lonestay]

This all comes down to Money and the economy , Boris cant have other European countries getting their economies back up and running, and the UK lagging behind by 3-4 weeks. So the price to pay to stay in the race will be UK lives .

 

[purplenose]

That is truly shocking and not something to discover on a Monday morning.


"Pretty" clear.

Can we really have a daily SOP for every individual to follow robot like, in the real world that is?

I get your tone of response to the post totally, but you have to place some responsibility on individuals to use common sense. I know "what could possibly go wrong"?

Absolutely I am very much with those who firmly believe that our government and many others have made a massive fucking balls of it. True we have not seen people dying in corridors and on floors in hospitals like others have. That in its self is a success and the government should be given credit for that, but right now we are where we are and have to hope they get things right going forward, and that people learn to use their common sense more.

A worrying few weeks ahead I grant you and I am largely hoping for the best rather than expecting it.

 

[twosips]

Sorry to be glib here mate, but nobody can be sure of anything.
Everything is an estimate or a guess. It's a novel virus. Nobody "knows" or is "sure" of anything.

We have to start trying to get back to some bit of normality soon, for many different reasons, doing so while keeping an eye on r0 and hospitalizations is the only current exit strategy. If they spike, we lockdown. We know lockdown works to reduce transmission.

Fair enough. I guess hoping it doesn't go up is certainly reasonable. You'd like to think they'd be educated leaps of faith though, which i'm sure they are.

 

[sir baconface]

Nobody. But there will be hundreds of employers who will interpret that message as one of getting their business going and who will not give a flying fuck about safety and who won't have done any Covid planning, won't provide PPE. It should be statutory: have a Covid Plan that meets government approval or you can't start. He's deliberately left it vague.

I agree that people shouldn’t be forced back without a reasonable safety plan. In most cases that can be worked out locally to everyone’s satisfaction.

I was responding to your assertion that people were being forced back to work at 12 hours notice, which you now appear to have retracted. Pretty good.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Fwiw, I didn't report GD for the post and I didn't want him thread banned. Wasn't really arsed. I know GD lost his temper, but I do appreciate that I can be an annoying **** sometimes :)

On topic of this thread, which is based around some questions I had. I didn't actually want an explanation of how they calculate the R rate. Not sure most do as I imagined it'd be lost on many - me included. What many want to know was how can we be sure that these changes won't lift the R rate above 1? What's the reasoning behind it? Does the science suggest meeting more people now and going outside more regularly is still safe etc? It's a fair enough question. If its too complicated to answer, then fair enough. There must be a simple way of explaining it though.

We don’t.
Germany’s relaxation of lockdown has sent the R number back above 1.
Which is very bad news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52604676