COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[west didsblue]

Apparently poppadoms are the ideal food for people infected with the coronavirus.







They fit under the door.

 

[alexmcity]

They clearly stated these actions would be taken when the timing is right, and that the timing was being reviewed daily, they also explained in detail why this was being done. Are you arguing that our government want more people to die or are just idiots?

They are taking a more risky strategy and what stands behind it is the attempt to not allow the epidemic crisis to ruin the economy. But it's very risky by all accounts.

 

[blue44]

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/thai-health-minister-has-a-slash-at-dirty-farang

yeah i know ,he's the loose canon

 

[blue44]

They clearly stated these actions would be taken when the timing is right, and that the timing was being reviewed daily, they also explained in detail why this was being done. Are you arguing that our government want more people to die or are just idiots?

both

 

[SebastianBlue]

Not trusting the government and bad mouthing the PM is very entertaining for people with fuck all better to do on the internet, and normally it’s harmless enough, but in this case it could cost lives. The government will be taking further action like banning large scale events and closing schools when the timing of this is deemed to be the most effective based on the advice of this country’s best experts in the field who have access to all the data and therefore can produce the most effective computer modelling.

I don’t disagree that blindly badmouthing the government’s response is not particularly helpful right now.

But surely we can agree on two points:

1) various relevant experts around the world — including many in the UK — expressing concerns with the government’s strategy does not meet the definition of “blindly badmouthing”
2) whilst the government is undoubtedly trying to make the best decision possible from an array of generally “bad” options (no one envies their position), and taking the best possible advice from as many reputable, relevant sources as possible, that does not mean they are infallible — they could be doing all of what you and I have described and still get it wrong

I just don’t want us to get to the point of “if the government does it, it means it is the best for us, and anyone saying otherwise is a knob head or traitor” thinking.

 

[Summerbuzz]

People can be wrong. If we're to believe this not to be the case, then they need to be more transparent, certainly with other experts.

ATM they are effectively just telling us what will happen 'when the plan works'.

But, for example, as a WHO spokesperson pointed out this morning that the Herd Immunisation strategy wholly depended on individuals generating the required immune responses to this particular virus. And she was lost for any evidence or data at this stage that actually supports the belief that this IS what happens with THIS virus. Which leaves us with the delicate question of wether they are going with the assumption that because it's worked that way with SOME corona viruses, it absolutely will do so in this case.

 

[Sheriff Fatman]

both

Beat me to it.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It is without a doubt the worst global crisis since WW2. Unless you were member of few of the repressed ethnic groups, you could travel most of the world back then. Now you can enter Denmark only if you're their citizen or not go to USA from most of the Europe. The impact on economy is already huge and we just started. Tourism, transportation etc.. are going to zero.

To be fair, I meant in terms of impact upon the UK. I doubt you'd get many Jews who would agree with my assessment!

But yes, there's the global economic impact as well.

 

[Elbow beards]

Apparently poppadoms are the ideal food for people infected with the coronavirus.







They fit under the door.

As Madonna once sang ' poppadom please, I'm in trouble deep'

I'll get my bio hazard coat..

 

[Nails]

People can be wrong. If we're to believe this not to be the case, then they need to be more transparent, certainly with other experts.

ATM they are effectively just telling us what will happen 'when the plan works'.

But, for example, as a WHO spokesperson pointed out this morning that the Herd Immunisation strategy wholly depended on individuals generating the required immune responses to this particular virus. And she was lost for any evidence or data at this stage that actually supports the belief that this IS what happens with THIS virus. Which leaves us with the delicate question of wether they are going with the assumption that because it's worked that way with SOME corona viruses, it absolutely will do so in this case.

@Summerbuzz knows his shit. Listen up.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

People can be wrong. If we're to believe this not to be the case, then they need to be more transparent, certainly with other experts.

ATM they are effectively just telling us what will happen 'when the plan works'.

But, for example, as a WHO spokesperson pointed out this morning that the Herd Immunisation strategy wholly depended on individuals generating the required immune responses to this particular virus. And she was lost for any evidence or data at this stage that actually supports the belief that this IS what happens with THIS virus. Which leaves us with the delicate question of wether they are going with the assumption that because it's worked that way with SOME corona viruses, it absolutely will do so in this case.

well, honestly, what's the alternative? complete lockdown till we all have to come out again and it still spreads in spite of this and we still catch it?

The more I think about it the more it's just a realisation we'll have to face up to it, there's no hiding and there's no protecting vulnerable people unless their immune systems can handle either a vaccine or the real thing, I just don't see an alternative. Global eradication in the space of a few months is not going to happen.

We lock down for a few weeks, then what? We go back out, and erm, catch it then?

 

[kaz7]

They clearly stated these actions would be taken when the timing is right, and that the timing was being reviewed daily, they also explained in detail why this was being done. Are you arguing that our government want more people to die or are just idiots?

I am sorry but on this they were adamant and tried to sell us you won't get it AT the event with nothing said about mass travelling to get there etc,the prem shutting down has forced them to change,that coupled not shutting down events with wanting 60% to get the virus for immunity,can you not link the two together? You don't need any medical experience to get that,there whole plan is to get herd immunity

Boris will have been given options,detailed plans with different outcomes,then the medical bods giving him advice as to which way he should go,starting his speech with many people are going to lose loved ones too early is an admission the plan chosen will lead to many deaths,the deaths to date around the world have been nearly all the old and sick,the plan and actions and arguements they have presented all point to that demographic being sacrificed to allow the herd immunity plan to happen

This is more about the medical advice than who is the prime minister who has to decide which way to go,taking it along party lines is not helpful

 

[hgblue]

I don’t disagree that blindly badmouthing the government’s response is not particularly helpful right now.

But surely we can agree on two points:

1) various relevant experts around the world — including many in the UK — expressing concerns with the government’s strategy does not meet the definition of “blindly badmouthing”
2) whilst the government is undoubtedly trying to make the best decision possible from an array of generally “bad” options (no one envies their position), and taking the best possible advice from as many reputable, relevant sources as possible, that does not mean they are infallible — they could be doing all of what you and I have described and still get it wrong

I just don’t want us to get to the point of “if the government does it, it means it is the best for us, and anyone saying otherwise is a knob head or traitor” thinking.

There will be hundreds of different scenarios being modelled by experts in the field, each one will have pros and cons, and each one would be disagreed with by a certain percentage of other experts. There is no course of action which would be universally accepted. Someone has to weigh up all the advice and devise a plan of action for the nation. In our democracy that someone needs to be the government and in this case that advice should be followed or we risk anarchy and more people will suffer than needed to.

 

[BosnianBlue]

To be fair, I meant in terms of impact upon the UK. I doubt you'd get many Jews who would agree with my assessment!

But yes, there's the global economic impact as well.

Of course, they are the main part of "some ethnic groups" I added in that post. But after ww2, there was no such global crisis as this one. September 11 was huge geopolitical event, but it and what came after it were scary and affected lives of far smaller amount of global population.

 

[lazerblue]

Adding to this also in case anyone missed it.

Now where have I seen people talking about herds before, oh that's right, the walking dead! Don't think Boris thought that through

 

[andyhinch]

well, honestly, what's the alternative? complete lockdown till we all have to come out again and it still spreads in spite of this and we still catch it?

The more I think about it the more it's just a realisation we'll have to face up to it, there's no hiding and there's no protecting vulnerable people unless their immune systems can handle either a vaccine or the real thing, I just don't see an alternative. Global eradication in the space of a few months is not going to happen.

We lock down for a few weeks, then what? We go back out, and erm, catch it then?

You don’t think there are measures in between both extremes ? How odd.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

You don’t think there are measures in between both extremes ? How odd.

I think Coronavirus covers each side and the bit in the middle, whatever that is. Short of lockdowns and closing schools I don't see how we're so far away from the others, everything else has been decimated already.

 

[SebastianBlue]

If you haven't already done so I recommend listening to his recent TED podcast.

This one?

 

[Uffa]

and in this case that advice should be followed or we risk anarchy and more people will suffer than needed to.

I wouldn't worry about that if I were you, your government's advice seems really easy to follow. Instructions being too lax and unclear might cause more problems in knowing how to act.

 

[lancs blue]

Trump extends travel ban to UK and Rep. of Ireland.