COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[give it to gordon]

how can you self isolate when the shops are empty I wasn't able to get half my weekly shop today so will need to go again midweek, so having to go twice aweek now instead of once.

 

[west didsblue]

take a look at this graph.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Currently this is doubling every 6/7 days ( graph moving faster could be down to speed of testing increasing) , And our government is saying the peek is 10/14 weeks away, so mathematically speaking ( using 7 days doubling) in 10/14 weeks time we will be at 76m to 1.22bn world wide cases unless something slows it down.

currently best case estimates are 1% of those will die. And that’s with decent medical care which will be in very short supply / non existent in most places. The WHO are currently saying 3.5% or so will die. As when they looked in China they didn’t find the “iceberg” they were expecting.

Seems too many people don’t understand the difference between linear and exponential growth. It should become clear within a couple of weeks.

 

[PragueBlue]

how can you self isolate when the shops are empty I wasn't able to get half my weekly shop today so will need to go again midweek, so having to go twice aweek now instead of once.

I have found shops at petrol stations to be well stocked and not raided (yet). Might be a bit more expensive and they don't have the variety but probably a better bet at the moment for essentials than the supermarket.

 

[DRINKLEVEDRY]

Up to about a week ago here in Spain the whole thing seemed remote, last thursday got our first taste of shelf emptying, by saturday we saw no end to it then today Spain is in total lockdown yet our south eastern area has yet to get its first hospital confirmed virus case.
Things can happen quickly.

Our pool area and pool are out of bounds but the bar is open in fuertaventura.

 

[bluemoon32]

Shop floor staff in work:
Fcuk self isolating, i can't afford to be on SSP so i'll just keep coming to work

 

[Proy]

They certainly don’t appear to be that bothered about controlling the rate of growth. Fortunately most people seem to have the sense to be taking it upon themselves to take precautions. Many aren’t though which is why we should have clearer direction from the leadership of the country.

Unfortunately you’ll never convince everyone. In my line of work, I’ve come across many people who just want to sweep this under the carpet. Of those people I’ve encountered, not one has been able to come back to me with a valid argument as to why they hold the point of view they do. Just not qualified to debate it and instead to just contribute throw away comments that hold no water.

Ive yet to see anyone put together a solid case for why this virus is comparable to the common flu and what attributes it will share or does share.

I think it’s a startling ignorance to the matter in hand and it’s probably those people who have been rinsing supermarkets dry without a 2nd thought for anybody else.

You see in cases like this how dog eat dog western society has become. There is no community value left. There will be exceptions I’m sure, but the general reaction is very, very evident.

 

[BobKowalski]

Nick Robinson (BBC) further emphasising the harm the Govts comms strategy is doing.

‘After a confusing 48 hours Health Secretary Hancock attempts to reassure the country that the government “has a plan to protect life & to protect the NHS.” He’s not helped by the fact key announcements are being made in unaccountable anonymous briefings to journalists #marr‘

 

[BobKowalski]

I have found shops at petrol stations to be well stocked and not raided (yet). Might be a bit more expensive and they don't have the variety but probably a better bet at the moment for essentials than the supermarket.

Same is true of small local shops in my area. More expensive but well stocked.

 

[George Hannah]

The most fundamental function of a government is to keep its people safe. It is from this that it derives its authority, the confidence of the people and its legitimacy. Nobody should be under the illusion that this is something that can be dodged through somehow manipulating a virus that we are only beginning to understand. This will not pass you by; this is not a tornado, it is a hurricane. I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire
William Hanage, epidemiologst (from the MUG).

These Gooners like a good satire on Twitter

 

[PragueBlue]

These Gooners like a good satire on Twitter

Thought that was Klopp for a minute.

 

[SWP's back]

What is the logical path you can't follow? Does it involve the strength and/or timing of compulsory social distancing measures?

I think it’s possible to not lock people in their homes but strongly encourage people to avoid gathering in large numbers at indoor events.

Also if the advice was to work from home where at all possible, that would be enable that discussion to be held at a million work places.

As I say, that’s all taken place where I live and I’m glad that’s the case. I’m not arsed about myself though as I’m relatively fit and healthy (although the closing of gyms will test that) but I’m hugely concerned about my mother. I ordered her an Alexa today because of my guilt at more or less quarantining her four weeks ago.

 

[Proy]

so who oh wise one should be our role model, who in Europe is controlling the virus sooo much better than us. Please tell us. Italy, france, Spain, Germany , Italy ?

tell us which country we should be following , which country is showing leadership and has control of the spread?

tell us what they are doing better and the lessons we should be learning,

China.

And you said Italy, twice.

 

[sir baconface]

The thread’s descending into a shit throwing contest. I’m taking a break from it to see family. Wouldn’t be a bad idea for one or two others to do likewise and calm down in the meantime.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

Nick Robinson (BBC) further emphasising the harm the Govts comms strategy is doing.

‘After a confusing 48 hours Health Secretary Hancock attempts to reassure the country that the government “has a plan to protect life & to protect the NHS.” He’s not helped by the fact key announcements are being made in unaccountable anonymous briefings to journalists #marr‘

It’s not helping the situation at all. There should be a WHO-style daily briefing with Boris, Vallance, Whitty, Hancock, and anyone else they feel should be there. They are adding to the anxiety instead of calming it. They say there’s a strategy, make u-turns on that strategy, have different people contradicting each other, most notably Hancock and Vallance stating different things about herd immunity. The whole thing lacks clarity and doesn’t inspire confidence. If anything, it’s making many people feel abandoned/neglected.

 

[George Hannah]

I think it’s possible to not lock people in their homes but strongly encourage people to avoid gathering in large numbers at indoor events.

That's an issue about the logic of trade offs, I'm preparing to be 'shielded'

 

[bluejon]

Something I was thinking about last night, we need to declare a state of emergency and and bring in an emergency raise on income tax. If this carries on for as long as it's likely too those of us whose jobs are secure will need to give up some of our wages to those who are going to lose their jobs, and those on a shit load of money are just going to have to 'take it on the chin'.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I think it’s possible to not lock people in their homes but strongly encourage people to avoid gathering in large numbers at indoor events.

I am sure there will be an announcement on that this week

strong rumours that schools will be closing end of this week for a extended 4 week easter.

So far the govt got it wrong about allowing flights freely in to the country unchecked from affected areas , but otherwise I think it’s (well the scientists) doing ok.

no countries stats who have it in their population seem to have an answer or model to follow, as you have pointed out on this thread numerous times it’s a unique difficult situation.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

China.

And you said Italy, twice.

it’s bad in Italy.

China ?

 

[kaz7]

I caught a bit of Hancock on Marr this morning, and I would say he did 'okay'. I thought he also said herd immunity wasn't the plan, which was confusing in light of the press conference last week.

I'm not sure how well set up car companies are to make ventilators, but it suggests that there is some interesting thinking going on, although it feels like playing catch-up.

The government scientist repeated the herd immunity plan yesterday,i posted it last night,it is clear hancock knows it is not a popular policy

 

[MCFC1993]

Some rational comment. People have become utter drama queens, this is something fueled by misinformation and the need for the media to boost revenues. All of the 21 individuals who's death has been attributed to this flu virus, had major pre existing respiratory issues and was over 60.
I wonder if people have bothered to compare this 21, with NHS figures of 17, 300 deaths annually attributed to flu and do any of the hysterical drama queens on here actually give a toss about those people!

It's that kind of ignorant comment that is going to get a lot more people killed.

This is nothing like seasonal flu, we don't have immunity, we don't have a vaccine. This means our hospitals will be overwhelmed. It also specifically attacks the lungs and behaves more like pneumonia. This means a lot of our hospitals won't have the equipment to keep people alive.

Look at Italy's figures on February 29th and ours yesterday. We're 2 weeks behind them and a lot more than 21 will be dead.

Stop spreading mis-information.