ah a balance you say? well i can tell you now, many people dont think the balance is right. because right now we are heading for several million unemployed, hundreds if not thousands of suicides and thousands of collereal deaths in the nhs. But I guess you are sitting on the right side of the fence so to speak and are not worried about losing your livlihood and house?We have to balance protecting people’s jobs and livelihoods and protecting the NHS - it’s a fucking horrible position, in time ,we have more preventable measures than we did at the start ,masks, social distancing and better treatments as time goes on , with the ideal solution being a vaccine next year.
What I don't get is why did the government close all the emergency hospitals they built/converted if they always suspected this second wave and a large increase in cases and hospital admissions over the winter?to spell it out for you ...It’s not the deaths you need to keep focusing on.
WE HAVE THE HOSPITAL CAPACITY FOR CANCER PATIENTS, HEART DISEASES AND PATIENTS BEING TREATED FOR A WHOLE RANGE OF ISSUES.
WE DO NOT HAVE THE HOSPITAL CAPACITY FOR AN EXTRA 10,20,30+ THOUSAND COVID PATIENTS AND GOD KNOWS HOW MANY MORE IF WE DIDN'T LOCKDOWN
Cancer is almost entirely (90%) a lifestyle disease. If you banned red meat, fags, booze, fatty foods, going out in the sunshine and drugs we wouldn’t have any. As the goal seems to be not letting anyone die, ever, I presume it’ll be in the Health Party manifesto and they’ll walk the next election........It's a false equivalence though, as I see it.
Cancer isn't infectious, and randomly occurs in people. Preventing smoking may reduce one particular cancer, but will not wipe it out - it's impossible to prevent it occurring.
Covid is infectious. The spread can be constrained, and not doing so would let it spread pretty much throughout the population, hitting everyone, and no-one knows what the death total would be. 450 a day might be chickenfeed - and if it got to that point it would be far too late to act. Also by the time it hit that much, the NHS would be creaking with all the collateral damage that would cause.
Comparing the too is just illogical as they behave in completely different manners, and have completely different prevention methods. Covid is a killer virus which can be restricted, so you restrict it. Just as measles, TB, polio, etc, is vaccinated at expense to the country to prevent it spreading.
There IS inevitably a tipping point when the damage caused by Covid prevention matches the damage caused by letting Covid run through the population. Judging that point is beyond anyone here, and most importantly can only be guessed at because it requires extrapolation into the future - there will be multiple opinions, and no-one can know for certain which is right; all there is each person's opinion.
Karen, if you read my post and understood it, you would see i was questioning the cost. But as we know, you are not very good at comprehension however you do self righteous and patronising very well as many on here can attest to.A
Are you really comparing cancer to an infectious disease ? Different diseases need different management , yes i am being patronising
Swedish built up areas are not disimilar density wise to the UK. Do you think they all live in remote log cabins next to lakes?Can't believe you even wasted your breath on that. As if cancer research hasn't had billions spent on it. As if we wouldn't go into lockdown if it could save cancer patients. As if we aren't already living with it. As if hospitals could cope with everyone going on as normal. As if Sweden is anything fucking like the UK.
There IS inevitably a tipping point when the damage caused by Covid prevention matches the damage caused by letting Covid run through the population. Judging that point is beyond anyone here, and most importantly can only be guessed at because it requires extrapolation into the future - there will be multiple opinions, and no-one can know for certain which is right; all there is each person's opinion.
ah a balance you say? well i can tell you now, many people dont think the balance is right. because right now we are heading for several million unemployed, hundreds if not thousands of suicides and thousands of collereal deaths in the nhs. But I guess you are sitting on the right side of the fence so to speak and are not worried about losing your livlihood and house?
Cancer is almost entirely (90%) a lifestyle disease. If you banned red meat, fags, booze, fatty foods, going out in the sunshine and drugs we wouldn’t have any. As the goal seems to be not letting anyone die, ever, I presume it’ll be in the Health Party manifesto and they’ll walk the next election........
Of course, if you don’t want to catch Covid, the obvious thing to do is to stay away from people, don’t go out in public and wear a mask when you do.
However, if you’re 80 and would like to hold your grandchildren in the next 12 months you might decide that’s a risk you’re entirely happy to take.
First of all you dont need to try and shout me down with your silly capitals.
You are so so wrong, we dont have all the facilities, screening methods and drugs to deal with Cancer. If you think that then I can only assume you have been lucky enough for it not to have affected your family and therefore you have little interest in it. We are spending a fraction on cancer compared to covid and could save thousands more lives every year but as a country we chose not to. I know they are different but you really should do your research before you state things you clearly know little about. Ive lost more family members to cancer than i have to covid and we are spending a fraction on cancer!
The point i was questioning is was it proportionate? you clearly think it is, some on here want another total lockdown. I guess that suits them, they accept all the collateral damage economically and socially that goes with that. Its not an easy decision either way.
I used to work off shore many moons ago. Best of luck to you and your family. By the way, i post on here for debate only, i am not one of these nutters who think the virus is a fake and wanting society to return to normal. I know how serious it is, as a family we respect and strictly follow the rules.Yes. I am very worried. Just had a baby and only had a mortgage a couple of years - I work in Oil industry - we’ve been massively hit, we’ve lost a couple of departments already and there’s further talks of more.
Despite the above, I can still reason and be level headed at the huge task governments around the world have to face with this virus , I know first hand from a couple of NHS workers how much pressure they are under and a sky rocketing hospital admission would not only destroy the NHS but would cause even more chaos to people’s livelihoods.
for every person saying ‘just go back to normal ‘ there is another person saying ‘we have to be stricter locking down’ - so it’s clear the government can’t win on this and are trying to balance both