COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[MillionMilesAway]

Its the tipping point I was questioning, that point is not just a health one, it has to be an economic one aswell surely?

I just said there was.

Rhetorically, where would that be set it? 20k more dead? 50k more? What's acceptable? 1 million unemployed?

No-one knows the overall cost of letting Covid run freely, but the expectation is that it would be very high, economically and socially, just as there is damage for using limited lockdowns.

Presumably at this point, the scientific advisors build those into their modelling, but they would have to consider the worst case scenario of deaths.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

That's also false equivalence, with a dash of total absurdity with the "not letting anyone die ever" line.

You would have to ban those things (and a whole load of other things) in perpetuity to reduce cancer.

In comparison, the aim is to suppress Covid for a short period, with the expectation of a vaccine of some sort that should make it unnecessary to repeat it.

They are just not comparable, as I see it.

Even though there has never been a vaccine against a coronavirus? Seems like an awfully big gamble to be taking. What’s plan B, if the vaccine never materialises (or people won’t take it)?

 

[BlueHammer85]

Even though there has never been a vaccine against a coronavirus? Seems like an awfully big gamble to be taking. What’s plan B, if the vaccine never materialises (or people won’t take it)?

then social distancing and masks etc will stay around whilst trying to open up the economy, slowly it will improve

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Even though there has never been a vaccine against a coronavirus? Seems like an awfully big gamble to be taking. What’s plan B, if the vaccine never materialises (or people won’t take it)?

At a guess, part of Plan B will be that the spread will have been manageable as it is spread out over a longer time and running back into longer warmer days, rather than run free during winter and all that would entail.

Letting it run would almost certainly lead to many higher early deaths. Letting it run would therefore require someone to judge how many they consider acceptable, and hoping it didn't exceed that - that's a pretty big gamble to take, except with the guarantee that a lot more people will die early.

So what are the benefits and negatives of letting it run free? How many early dead is acceptable? I'm not sure there is more point in explaining what I've put again, and certainly not tonight.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

Even though there has never been a vaccine against a coronavirus? Seems like an awfully big gamble to be taking. What’s plan B, if the vaccine never materialises (or people won’t take it)?

This is the elephant in the room that no one dares speak of - unfortunately we are on a fingers crossed policy at the moment.

Expect a pattern of increased global demonstrations as announcements of a vaccine programe keep getting kicked into the long grass whilst roiling lockdowns continue into 2021

 

[NeilYoungIsBack]

So what are the benefits and negatives of letting it run free? How many early dead is acceptable? I'm not sure there is more point in explaining what I've put again, and certainly not tonight.

According to ONS data the median age of people dying from Covid19 in the UK is very nearly the same as the 2019 median age of death among the general population.

 

[urban genie]

The we don't believe is exists and ain't wearing a mask festival in hyde park is gonna have the worst line up of acts at this rate ;-)

On the wont mask up up stage

Right said fred
Chico
Jim Corr
Carol decker
John lydon
Van morrison
Ian brown
Noel gallagher

Compared by
Lawrence fox and denise welch.


Binch of fucking idiots

 

[elbearos]

In Bournemouth yesterday,virus?what virus?
Very few of us wearing a mask! No social distancing

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

ok apologies for the caps. But you keep playing this down as the death toll only and never focus on the hospital admissions.

I never said we have to facility’s and drugs to deal with cancer ? I said we have spare capacity to treat cancer patients , with potentially extra thousands of beds being taken for Covid patients then that’s the real worry and something we must absolutely avoid at all costs.

Good morning, so its not about deaths its a case of not overunning hospitals?
Back in April it was estimated that we were having 100,000 new covid cases a day. Chris Whitty said last week that if we didnt take action on a worse case scenario by the mid end of October we could be getting 50,000 new covid cases a day, so half what we had 6months previously. If the concern is about overwhelming hospitals as you state, can you please remind me what the occupancy rate was for the Nightingale hospitals back in April and May? Presumably they were overflowing, and unable to cope?

I dont know the precise figures, but can I suggest to you that they werent very full at all, and if so why was this? Please tell me what am I missing from yours and others hypothesis.

Thanks

 

[ultimateharold]

Was on a coach on Saturday which passed through Birmingham Airport, which had outside a fairly sizable testing site. There was plenty of staff, but zero, not a single, car pulling up for the testing. There must be capacity I guess to keep it open so why are they telling people otherwise? Shambles of a setup.