COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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. Edit, data may have been off

 

[AlgarveBlu]

are there any figures of how many US citizens do not have medical cover

Lower than I thought actually

44 million Americans are uninsured, and eight out of ten of these are workers or their dependents. Why is being uninsured a problem? About 44 million people in this country have no health insurance, and another 38 million have inadequate health insurance.

 

[urban genie]

Ha ha some bloke in my tesco moani g to people who will listwn he owns a business and has had an e-mail from government that lock diw is happening soon but they won't help him with the extra sick pay or cover peoples time off

 

[Blue Smarties]

I work for a small independent agency and we have had ad guys calling us asking if we are still having face to face meetings! I asked why wouldn't we be and there wasn't an answer. Mass hysteria seems to taken over the world at the moment.

Haha, Twitter have cancelled external face to face meetings, we had to do a call.

I just hope once the world recovers from this that everyone keeps up the heightened hygiene. Absolutely no reason why washing our hands, covering when coughing, etc. shouldn’t be the norm. It’s just basic hygiene.

 

[The_Mo]

Have you read what happens when you call 111 and say you believe you have the symptoms of Covid-19?

And you’re surprised it’s not doubled? (Also it was doubling ever 3-4 days, not 2)

What happens when you call 111?

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

The 111 process makes no sense. You can have all the symptons and have been to a concert for instance, but apparently if you haven’t travelled to affected areas (Italy, China) they can’t help you and you don’t have it...

despite lots of reports of people getting it who haven’t travelled

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Testing: of course they aren't testing everyone who feels a bit fluey.

There is only a finite number of test kits, and there's a whole load of other things with similar effects (common flu, colds, etc). If they tested everyone who came up with a sore throat, there would be queues miles long (putting people in close proximity, which they don't want), they wouldn't have staff numbers to deal with it (irritating and provoking complaint), and they would run out of kits/analysis capability (irritating those queueing, and preventing them testing those who really need it).

I don't think there is a 'win' scenario that they could use for everyone.


The government waffle are not helpful because they are non-specific, coupled with a distrust that politicians will tell the truth. The health officers are clearer and should be dealing with data. The politicians should take note of Klopp's response when asked.

We're a few days back from Italy, and also protected to some degree by geography. Being a bit behind, the need to take dramatic (and unpopular) action is less urgent, so they won't. I'm quite impressed by the Italian approach to dealing with it - quite tough and popularity be damned.

 

[SWP's back]

What happens when you call 111?

You’re told to self isolate if you don’t feel well and it’s neigh on impossible to get a test unless you’ve had confirmed contact with someone confirmed as having been diagnosed with CV.

A poster posted his experience earlier today and it married up with what Karen also said. They acted when she had difficulty breathing.

 

[hilts]

This is where the advice provided has been utter wank so far. And if you call 111 they won’t book you in for a test as you’ve not knowingly come into contact with done that that’s infected nor have you returned from an affected area. They are barely telling us anything, but I’d have thought you’d definitely have a fever if it was COVID-19

If I thought I may have it I would say I had been on a week long bender in Milan with the super Mario brothers.

 

[SebastianBlue]

are there any figures of how many US citizens do not have medical cover

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...alth-insurance-rises-1st-time-decade-n1052016

An estimated 27.5 million people, 8.5% of the population, went without health insurance in 2018. That was an increase of 1.9 million uninsured people, or 0.5 percentage point.

More people were covered by Medicare, reflecting the aging of the baby boomers. But Medicaid coverage declined. The number of uninsured children also rose, and there were more uninsured adults ages 35-64.

But see my post about this earlier in the thread about why even this is not even the real issue. It’s also worth keeping in mind that many in the US that do have health insurance have was is called a “catastrophic plan”, which means it only really stops you from having to pay *all* of the cost of health services if you do end up needing them — they come with high deductibles, co-insurance, and co-payments, meaning unless they receive very costly services, the patient is responsible for most (if not all) of the charges.

Whilst American healthcare itself is some of the best in the world, healthcare access is a complete and utter shambles compared to most other developed nations. And that is even after the ACA was implemented (but before it was gutted under the Trump admin) which did actually manage to improve access substantially.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

no chance of the racing being called off but i think the football forums should get togrther now and simply boycot matches

We did really well at that for the West Ham game without even mentioning the word boycott.

 

[worsleyweb]

Not doubling every 2 days at least as a lot were confidently predicting .

It will go up but maybe to 10,000 max is my take and fade as spring comes in earnest.

 

[urban genie]

You’re told to self isolate if you don’t feel well and it’s neigh on impossible to get a test unless you’ve had confirmed contact with someone confirmed as having been diagnosed with CV.

A poster posted his experience earlier today and it married up with what Karen also said. They acted when she had difficulty breathing.

A lass at work said someone at her husbands office has been showing sypmtoms and called, they said he hasn't got it because of the same (not been to the affected areas).

Turns out though the man sits other side of him in the office has been in north italy two weeks ago, but that doesn't count as he hasn't any symptoms

 

[grunge]

Not doubling every 2 days at least as a lot were confidently predicting .

Deleted original post as was a little off.

2/3 days was what was mentioned ( by myself anyways ) and its still somewhere between the 2.

Starting date 29th with 23 cases doubling every 2 days we would be at 736, But doubling every 3 days we would be at 386 in 2 days time.

Date            Cases      Increases      Doubled    2 Days doubling    3 Days doubling
29/2/2020     23                                              23                        23
1/3/2020      35           12
2/3/2020      40           5                                  46
3/3/2020      51           11              DOUBLE                                46
4/3/2020      85           34                                92
5/3/2020      115          30              DOUBLE
6/3/2020      163          48                                184                      92
7/3/2020      167          4
8/3/2020      210          43              DOUBLE      368
9/3/2020      277          67                                                            184
10/3/2020     373          96                                736
11/3/2020  
12/3/2020                                                                                  368

Edit: Apologies for the crap formatting, it doesn't like maintaining it.

 

[SebastianBlue]

You see, on the one hand you argue about my "false equivalence" but on the other you offer a false narrative. What the trump administration did last week was declare "COVID-19 test as an essential health benefit" to ensure it's paid for my health insurers. But that doesn't fit your picture so we better keep it on the down low.

That was an announcement of Medicaid and Medicare coverage and a promise to work to make testing covered by health insurers (which requires the legislation I mentioned in my other post), it was not an action that actually legally ensured coverage under all private insurance (as has been pointed out by many following legal analyses). And it does not cover related costs of testing and treatment, nor did it speak to the complexities of whether the costs would actually be paid by the insurers in whole or subject to individual plans’ cost sharing structure (meaning many people could be “covered” but still have to pay for most of the cost of testing). I have also spoken to other issues related to US healthcare access in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic that the US government has still not mitigated (and I think it is fair we are coming up on time that it is very much needed).

What you are probably already aware of with the Trump admin is that you must not go off what they say they are going to do but rather what they actually do.

So it is more prudent to wait until actual full action is taken and see what that is, as I alluded to in my other posts.

Here is a decent review of that announcement that speaks to these issues:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/pen...est-will-be-covered-by-medicaid-medicare.html

 

[MillionMilesAway]

A lass at work said someone at her husbands office has been showing sypmtoms and called, they said he hasn't got it because of the same (not been to the affected areas).

Turns out though the man sits other side of him in the office has been in north italy two weeks ago, but that doesn't count as he hasn't any symptoms

I thought it was said earlier that having contact with someone who'd been to a hotspot was enough - might be wrong.

If it wasn't known that this trip to Italy had happened, then the medical service can only act on what they are told.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

That was an announcement of Medicaid and Medicare coverage and a promise to work to make testing covered by health insurers (which requires the legislation I mentioned in my other post), it was not an action that actually legally ensured coverage under all private insurance (as has been pointed out by many following legal analyses). And it does not cover related costs of testing and treatment, nor did it speak to the complexities of whether the costs would actually be paid by the insurers in whole or subject to individual plans’ cost sharing structure (meaning many people could be “covered” but still have to pay for most of the cost of testing). I have also spoken to other issues related to US healthcare access in the context of the COVID-19 pandemic that the US government has still not mitigated (and I think it is fair we are coming up on time that it is very much needed).

What you are probably already aware of with the Trump admin is that you must not go off what they say they are going to do but rather what they actually do.

So it is more prudent to wait until actual full action is taken and see what that is, as I alluded to in my other posts.

Here is a decent review of that announcement that speaks to these issues:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/04/pen...est-will-be-covered-by-medicaid-medicare.html

It doesn't help that the orange buffoon keeps stating that he has it under control.

 

[hello]

are there any figures of how many US citizens do not have medical cover

About 30 million, although its probably higher than that as presumably the figures for the illegals will total guesses

 

[Tricky_Trev]

The fact that no new figures have been released makes me concerned that there may have been a jump in the number.

Well thats nowhere near as bad as i thought it would be.

We know from posters on here that unless you have come back from an affected area, or have come into contact with a known case (who would even know this?), then it’s difficult for you to actually get a test as things stand.

So I dare say our figures are not accurate, we are turning people down for testing.

 

[St.Pauli support]

It will go up but maybe to 10,000 max is my take and fade as spring comes in earnest. We wont be talking about this in June.

Hope you're right.
German experts expect no big influence of rising temperatures though
and a first maximum of cases in Germany between June and August.

Meanwhile Angela Merkel just hinted to a very strict policy of authorities to call off 'unnecessary' public events,
federal regions are following that route now, one by one. Like a domino game.

That will have consequences for European events as well.