COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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BJL_City said:
I think Coronavirus covers each side and the bit in the middle, whatever that is. Short of lockdowns and closing schools I don't see how we're so far away from the others, everything else has been decimated already.
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Incremental closures, restrictions on none essential travel, etc. It doesn’t have to be an all or nothing approach and might give the NHS a flatter peak demand.
 
Uffa said:
I wouldn't worry about that if I were you, your government's advice seems really easy to follow. Instructions being too lax and unclear might cause more problems in knowing how to act.
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Step 1: Go outside
Step 2: Lick everything in sight
Step 3: Go back inside
 
Uffa said:
I wouldn't worry about that if I were you, your government's advice seems really easy to follow. Instructions being too lax and unclear might cause more problems in knowing how to act.
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We are way too polite over here,there are times when the population need to be forced to do something
 


Look at the fucking state of him. Apparently shaking hand yesterday was a reflex but before being a politician he didn't believe in hand shaking
 
Italy 3500 cases (the record) and 175 dead in last 24 hours. Dead went down, but infection is 1k more than yesterday.
 
Summerbuzz said:
People can be wrong. If we're to believe this not to be the case, then they need to be more transparent, certainly with other experts.

ATM they are effectively just telling us what will happen 'when the plan works'.

But, for example, as a WHO spokesperson pointed out this morning that the Herd Immunisation strategy wholly depended on individuals generating the required immune responses to this particular virus. And she was lost for any evidence or data at this stage that actually supports the belief that this IS what happens with THIS virus. Which leaves us with the delicate question of wether they are going with the assumption that because it's worked that way with SOME corona viruses, it absolutely will do so in this case.
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They most definitely are either (a) wrong, or (b) being dishonest. Let me explain why:

You cannot transfer immunity for any virus from one person to another. You get immunity by either catching it, or by being vaccinated. That's assuming you can get immunity from this by catching it and there is even a question mark over that. But let's assume that you can.

For herd immunity to work, it is estimated that 60% of the herd - the UK public - need to have immunity. i.e. 60% of the people in the UK need to catch it for this to work. You need 60% so that every time a new person is infected, they go on to inflect less than 1 other person, and then the virus naturally dies out. At the moment, each infected person is infecting between 2 and 3 other people, which is why the numbers are exploding exponentially. So 60% of the UK population need to catch it, some to die and some to recover. Until then, it continues to spread virulently.

60% of the UK population circa 40m people. Even if we were to spread this infection out evenly over 2 years, it's still nearly 2m people per month. The NHS cannot cope with anything like that. Not even close. And that's assuming no peaks, which is ludicrous. Of course there will be a peak.

So the herd immunity line is a complete lie. It's technically possible, provided we simply accept hundreds of thousands of deaths as an unavoidable outcome. A calculation on a spreadsheet might suggest it is a possible course of action. In the real world, with thousands upon thousands of lives at stake, it is a complete non-starter.
 
BosnianBlue said:
Italy 3500 cases (the record) and 175 dead in last 24 hours. Dead went down, but infection is 1k more than yesterday.
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I never know what to think of these daily updates. One day the case rate goes up and death rate down, the next one it's the opposite.
As our main gelled-haired man said, we'll probably have to wait 2 weeks to see the results.
 
andyhinch said:
Incremental closures, restrictions on none essential travel, etc. It doesn’t have to be an all or nothing approach and might give the NHS a flatter peak demand.
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well that's what's happening and the path the government wants to take. We can't fly to places, we can't go to the football...we're already down that path, that's why I don't see "In-between" because we are already there.
 
Uffa said:
I never know what to think of these daily updates. One day the case rate goes up and death rate down, the next one it's the opposite.
As our main gelled-haired man said, we'll probably have to wait 2 weeks to see the results.
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yep, yesterday, the infection rate was bit down, I hoped it would go to be a trend.
 
I have, against my better nature had a few hours out in the pub with a couple of mates

We have however, not shook hands, sat away from people, used sanitizer, taken the glasses back kto the bar as is recomended and other precautions.

The ammount of others acting normally is ridiculous.

We asked a guy who was picking his nose is he worried, his answer "wel lI am gonna die anyway and this might be my last night in a pub so gonna enjoy myself", asked why not at least take precautions, said "I am not the first person ar this table why would sanitizing my hands make a difference".

Johnsons own level of apathy has encouragd this stupidity.
 
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