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Ric said:
Was due to take the family to London next weekend (planned on taking my lad to Chelsea away before it got rearranged/cancelled) but not sure if it's a good idea now. Can't get refunds for the train or hotel (or theatre tickets for the Sat night) so it'd leave me out of pocket but don't know if we want to be travelling around on the tube, in a busy theatre etc. Or is that an over the top reaction - should we just carry on as planned?
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I’d stay away. Just not worth the risk. I’m putting normal life on hold for the time being and if I’m found to be overreacting then so be it.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Yep - I commented some days ago how this thread has been really quite informative and helped me in making some decisions

Increasingly though - and especially the last 24 hours or so - we have the same old attitude where some of the posters that are known for having a tendency for getting bolshie using the thread as a platform. Even for a subject of this importance it seems some people cannot stop themselves

I have gone from reading the thread throughout to just skimming to see if there is any sign of something that might prove useful.

Anyway, I went into Morrisons at 1010 - so only just opened - had to park at the far end of the overflow car park and could not believe the sight when I got inside - absolutely mobbed

I guess that the period of people not panic buying has come to an end!!

I was OK - I just got more Strongbow, Stella, wine and Vodka - as I did my stocking up some time ago
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yep this thread has gone from being a useful discussion on the science and the like into a bickering mess.

you can see all the trolling types in action!
 
See Cadburys still running their grandad easter egg tv ad....

Get Grandkids coming round to his flat, get them all hugging him...............for a couple of dairy milk eggs,
 
Gelsons Dad said:
It was about 3 days ago. Not Months.
From a report dated 14th March:
"Officials at another manufacturer, Drägerwerk AG & Co., told ABC News they just received an order for 10,000 ventilators from the German government. “The delivery of the order will stretch across the entire year and requires a substantial increase of the production capacity,” a spokesperson said."
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Thank you for the correction and information. Shows though they are on the ball
 
Withnail said:
Quite distressing watching it with the Doctor quite visibly upset. NHS is on its knees already and will not be able to cope.
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No health care system in the world would be able to cope if the current rise in levels of infection isn't checked. The idea of the NHS being unaware of the vital need for more ventilator beds doesn't stack up either I'm afraid.
 
Lancet Fluke said:
The big problem is that much of the country does not trust Johnson. It is essential in a crisis that a population trusts its government and believes what they are telling it, otherwise everything is likely to breakdown as people just fuck it off and take their own action. The issue we have is that everybody knows Johnson is a liar, and I don't accept the "all politicians lie" bollocks, it's false equivalence, everyone knows Johnson is dishonest way beyond any norm. Even the people who voted for him know he's a liar, it's just that they liked that he was lying 6 months ago because his lies and cheating suited them at that point. Well it's fucked now because we can't believe a word he says when we need to. Granted, we couldn't have predicted a consequence as grave as this but it was easily predictable that people applauding, enabling and voting for overt dishonesty would bite even those applauding it on the arse at some point. People don't seem to like any political point being made over this but it is entirely relevant to the situation we find ourselves in.
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Just an observation - I know and accept that people find it hard to rise above the need to simply slag of the government and PM because - well simply because it is the Tories and Johnson - and they cannot stop their need to hate.

FWIW - whilst I have not really had a positive thing to say about Johnson - I absolutely think that we should all thank fuck the election in December happened and brought about a resounding working majority - no matter for which party

I have not seen it commented on - but at least we can take a view - positive or critical - of the government's handling. Just imagine what things would be like if the position at Westminster was like it had been throughout 2018/19 - utterly paralysed and unable to make any decisions - with parties playing political games.

That would be undeniably far far worse - and I genuinely do not think that anyone could not agree with this view - unless they are just so utterly full of hate as do be not to be able to think.
 
FWIW, I've decided I am not going to post much more on this thread (not zero posts, but a significant drop) because people clearly have intrenched positions.

I hope (and expect) that the government will soon start to introduce measures much more in line with those of Italy, Spain and France. And that therefore, once they have done that, the actual numbers (not the reported ones) will begin to fall, and things will get back under control. There seems to be circa a 2 week lag, where after lock down, reported numbers continue to rise - representing those already infected before the lockdown, working their way through the system. Getting infected > Incubating > Feeling ill > Getting Worse and finally being picked up as a statistic. That is taking about 2 weeks. So perhaps mid April, things may seem a bit less grim.

In the meantime, I expect it to get progressively worse and more Italy-like, with some awful stats and stories to come over the next 3 or 4 weeks. It's just too depressing and I am going to try to stay safe and concentrate on other things.
 
For Public Service
Please read, and heed the warnings.

I have family in Italy and Spain in lockdown currently and have been sent this, I am sure given the nature of this, it has some credibility to wake up the zombies running our country but I wouldn't count on it!
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Hello Everyone,
My name is Alessandro, a nurse here in Lombardia region of Italy. I am writing in english so that my friends in UK and France can understand my message.
To my friends and relatives in Rome and Napoli, to my countrymen south of Lombardia, the epicenter of the the Covid-19 epidemic in Italy.
I wrote this message to warn you and let you know about the situation here in Northern Italy. I just finished my 24 hour shift.
All of my fellow nurses and the doctors are working non stop to help stop the virus. Our hospitals in the north our working 200 % of its capacity. Many of the sick old people are left to die.
The doctors chooses which patient that we wil try to recover. Patients who are positive but are not having emergency health problems are being sent home and do self quarantine as we no longer have space in the hospitals.
I beg my countrymen and friends here and abroad, to please listen to the warning of the government. China gave the world 2-3 months warning about the effects of the virus but no one listened.
When the virus had just started in the north, no one listened that they need to protect themselves. They said it is just a normal flu, it is not. Many who are already sick still went out and have coffee in the bars and went to the restaurants and ignore the plea of the government to stay indoors.
We Italians are a proud race, we always say we can do things our way. Then we woke up one day many are already sick and dying. I will tell you, the Covid-19 virus did not kill the victims, Ignorance did. Because many ignored the warnings to remain indoors and do self quarantine when sick.
Please I beg you, now that our whole country is in lockdown, stay indoors, please look at us as your example. Covid-19 will come to you eventually. But as I said, Ignorance is far more deadly than the virus itself. As I write this letter, I already lost my mother and grandparents due to the virus. These events will pass, but only if we will do our part....
 
Ric said:
Was due to take the family to London next weekend (planned on taking my lad to Chelsea away before it got rearranged/cancelled) but not sure if it's a good idea now. Can't get refunds for the train or hotel (or theatre tickets for the Sat night) so it'd leave me out of pocket but don't know if we want to be travelling around on the tube, in a busy theatre etc. Or is that an over the top reaction - should we just carry on as planned?
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I wouldn't, but I also wouldn't cancel until you see how it pans out this week, if the government force cancellations its not your fault and they'll have to offer refunds for all.
 
All this demonstrates that the disdain for experts and competence from politicians and the support for populism based on simple solutions and soundbites has come back to bite us on the arse.
Whilst the pandemic was inevitable, the disjointed response that will result in additional deaths was not.
Hope the government proves me wrong and the NHS will cope.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
one of them is a lecturer in employment law !!!!!
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I was particularly impressed by
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Paul Expert, Research Associate, Global Digital Health unit, Imperial College London
 
George Hannah said:
I don't know about Tesco- I'll take your word for it but by last Wednesday (and the week before) all the others were booked up for several days ahead in Stockport at least. It would be an excellent idea to reserve slots for customers in vulnerable groups - existing and new. Let's hope the main online providers will find a way to prioritize deliveries for those who need them most. Uber and Deliveroo will also be called upon to supply those in quarantine apparently.
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Yeah you also have cash and carry like bookers, makro and costco that use transits for small businesses which the gov should now be contacting and asking to be ready if needed
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Do you not think the change in emphasis is to do with perception? People have used the use of the term "Herd Immunity" to imply that the plan was to sacrifice the venerable when that never has been the case. It appears to me that they are simply trying to refocus attention on the measures in the plan and the fact that it is about protecting the most vulnerable.
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I’ve already remarked on the stupidity of using the term ‘herd’ as if we were cud chewing bovines. Allowing the focus to be on ‘herd immunity’ was clumsy given in reality all countries in Europe are expecting high infection rates and all countries are trying to slow the spread of infection so as not to overwhelm their systems. The only real difference seemed to be that we were ‘encouraging’ the initial spread which was risky as we have no reliable way to monitor the spread other than extrapolate based on rising infection cases from a relatively small pool of those tested.

But no they are not refocusing as you suggest. Hancock is denying it was the aim when two days previously it was the aim. If you want to refocus then just do that and issue statements which say it’s now stage 3 (or whatever) and our primary focus is now x and don’t mention what went before. You don’t actively deny it was a focus two days after saying it was a focus. It makes you look incompetent. The Govt can’t afford to look incompetent or look like it doesn’t know what it is doing, especially if it doesn’t know what it is doing.
 
Ric said:
Was due to take the family to London next weekend (planned on taking my lad to Chelsea away before it got rearranged/cancelled) but not sure if it's a good idea now. Can't get refunds for the train or hotel (or theatre tickets for the Sat night) so it'd leave me out of pocket but don't know if we want to be travelling around on the tube, in a busy theatre etc. Or is that an over the top reaction - should we just carry on as planned?
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Not an over the top reaction at all mate - just commonsense. I’m trying to stay away from busy areas as much as possible, and that means no trips to town, the pub, etc. Unfortunately, it looks like I have to get the bus to work tomorrow but there’s not much I can do about that one.
 
west didsblue said:
When a Tory supporter such as yourself who even started supporting the Brexit views of the party ahead of your previous strongly held beliefs can now criticise them in such strong terms, people on here should take notice.
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People should also do their own research and not feel intimidated to contribute to these threads otherwise we will have a set of polarized views which inevitably end up in a ‘there can be only one’ battle to the end . This is a time where everybody irrespective of their Profession, age, political leaning, economic background ,cultural leaning and medical disposition should participate and share their views/information and more importantly concerns and have a bit of a laugh as well as it’s grim enough out there as it is.

Not easy I know and am being slightly hypocritical her; as I was livid myself on here with the bloody it’s ‘just a flu’ crew a few weeks back as there need to be lines in the sand when spreading misinformation on globally agreed scientific fact which could cause other people to make misguided decisions. There are good debaters/contributors on here but the information can get lost if it’s always squeezed in between a rebuttal and a fuck you at the end of it.
 
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