COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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MCFC_ Phil said:
I wasn't trying to compare the seriousness of Covid-19 and the common cold, or even the flu. I was merely pointing out they are of the same family. As with most viruses some immunity will develop and combined with an eventual vaccine will give us herd immunity that we need. It's all a question of time. I don't think we could survive this type of lockdown for that long so there will have to be some trade off.
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You said that herd immunity is only way and that we haven't produced vaccine for common cold. We haven't produced it from one reason - its a nothing disease and it's not productive to spend billions of dollars to produce it and then to use it. The investment-gain ratio is not good and it's ok to let some people to get ill from it, it costs less.

This is not a nothing disease, it kills lot of people, it puts huge pressure on health systems and hence kills even more non covid related ill people and it sends economies to the bottom. So we will get a vaccine. Because it is the productive one that has good invest-gain ratio.
 
Fame Monster said:
Plenty of people, if not most people, thought some of these decisions were fucking madness at the time they were being made. The hindsight argument doesn't wash.
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One thing that is certainly indefensible even in hindsight was allowing the emergency stocks of PPE that had been set up when the last pandemic contingency plan had been formulated to be gradually run down. Much of that stock had either been used and not replaced or was out of date when the pandemic hit.
 
inbetween said:
If they tested everyone instantly today then we'd instantly know if the current lockdown needs to remain in place.

The greater question on testing is has 1% of the population had it or has 50% of the population had it because we have no idea. If it's the latter then we are good to go in a few weeks and go back to normality, if not then a second wave and further deaths is likely.

The only way to find this all out is to mass test.
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What if it's 23.935%?
 
lancs blue said:
One thing that is certainly indefensible even in hindsight was allowing the emergency stocks of PPE that had been set up when the last pandemic contingency plan had been formulated to be gradually run down. Much of that stock had either been used and not replaced or was out of date when the pandemic hit.
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Alternatively...
Government wastes billions a year destroying out of date, precautionary PPE.
Couldn't see that going down well, in October.
 
lancs blue said:
One thing that is certainly indefensible even in hindsight was allowing the emergency stocks of PPE that had been set up when the last pandemic contingency plan had been formulated to be gradually run down. Much of that stock had either been used and not replaced or was out of date when the pandemic hit.
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The Pandemic stock of PPE needed to be the equivalent of a FIFO buffer with old stock regularly going out to be used in hospitals and to be replaced with new stock.
Jeremy Hunt has a huge case to answer when the Cygnus pandemic wargaming report from 2016 comes out. Why did he do nothing when the report was completed. The conclusions are available in other DHSC documents - the main one being that there wasn't enough PPE!
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Studies suggest very few have had Covid-19 without symptoms
Herd immunity hopes hit by WHO report suggesting 2%-3% infected without realising it

https://www.theguardian.com/society...t-very-few-have-had-covid-19-without-symptoms

surprised Paddy Power haven’t got in on the act yet on how many people are infected with ranges from 0.7% to 25% being banded in different countries by different scientists
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That's a shockingly badly written article. It even contains the exact quote it is based on...

“Early data suggests that a relatively small percentage of the populations may have been infected,” Tedros said. “Not more than 2%-3%.”

which says 2-3% of populations infected. This is completely different to what the article is suggesting that only 2-3% of infected have no symptoms.
 
twosips said:
Bit of a random bit of news that some may know already admittedly. Anyway, they're testing higher doses of anticoagulants in the north-west now as a means to treat severe cases. Heard this from someone close to me who works in the NHS. There's been reports of this working in Italy. Fingers crossed hey.
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Something working in Italy? Give it about 6 months and someone in this government might notice.
 
twosips said:
Antibodies and whether we produce them has been discussed a few times on here, but here's an article from Professor Karol Sikora, a pretty respected voice, on the subject. He thinks people aren't producing antibodies, meaning herd immunity is out of the question potentially.

He doesn't mention whether the tests have low sensitivity and if that could be why. You'd presume he would offer that disclaimer if its a possible reason, but he doesn't, suggesting he doesn't think that's the case? Bit concerning.


https://www.hospitaltimes.co.uk/testing-is-the-key-to-defeating-this-pandemic/
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BlueAnorak said:
But...
the tests that the UK did last week indicated that antibodies are generated but only in large numbers by those who get ill. Those who remain asymptomatic or are barely ill do generate them but not in large numbers.
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Here's the Telegraph article on the UK Antibody Test report from a week ago:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ntibody-test-validated-results-show-under-40s

Ah ha!
From the antibody test report, antibodies ARE generated by people who are asymptomatic or are not very ill. The issue is whether the small number of antibodies produced will make a person immune from future infection in a few months time.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
Studies suggest very few have had Covid-19 without symptoms
Herd immunity hopes hit by WHO report suggesting 2%-3% infected without realising it

https://www.theguardian.com/society...t-very-few-have-had-covid-19-without-symptoms

surprised Paddy Power haven’t got in on the act yet on how many people are infected with ranges from 0.7% to 25% being banded in different countries by different scientists
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“There are a lot of countries that are suggesting using rapid diagnostic serological tests to be able to capture what they think will be a measure of immunity,” she said. “Right now, we have no evidence that the use of a serological test can show that an individual has immunity or is protected from reinfection.

I have been following this women,i believe her over our inept lot any day
 
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