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Do tell me what major epidemic we have had since 2010 that would have resulted in the previous epidemic plan put together in 2006 being reviewed? Politicians wouldn't have touched it, only PHE civil servants and SAGE members would have had any dealings with reviewing it.
blah blah blah. The pandemic plan is there for a reason. It needs to be competent, current and have the correct oversight. When it is tested, results need to be acted on. Pandemics are always on the top 2 or 3 risks on any national risk register. Anyone that cant agree with that simple truth is either an idiot or is deliberately trying to deflect. This government might count themselves as unlucky to have to deal with it but that is no reason for allowing them to deny their responsibility.
 
It's a fix, everyone knows it. Point scoring my arse. If by 'like the mainstream media', you mean, interested in the facts behind a soundbite, I'd take that charge. Frankly, you all ought to be ashamed of yourselves for rounding on people interested in the truth, whatever it is. They aren't the reason this country is in the shit, they aren't the partisan ones. You are. You're in complete denial and have to support your selves by projecting the strength of YOUR partisan feelings onto them. Going on about Jeremy Corbyn, what on earth is going on in your heads? Stuck in a moment and can't get out of it, that's what.

Plus there are mods using this thread for political 'discussion', who will move anything they feel uncomfortable about (care home figures, for one), out into the COVID political thread. And others closing the Boris thread whenever they get their arse handed to them. Absolute numpties, the lot of you. Rick ought to be laughing his arse off, the way he gives you lot leeway, there's no way anyone could ever accuse him of bias. It's nothing short of an open invitation for you to show how childish you are, and you rarely fail to disappoint. Well played lads, well played! Bye!
You need to get in a darkened room, arguing with no one.
 
Did he really say that? The curve between England and the rest of the countries is quite different. As it is in different areas of England.
Yeah he reckons it is much the same over the whole of the UK even accounting for regional variations,i expect they have a way to iron out the variations and see where the curve is,we have moved together as a country so I guess you would expect it to be overall the same result @Gelsons Dad is the expert in this i think
 
dear captain hindsight

everything is pretty much responsibility of the government in place, funding for schools , brexit , the nhs, minimum wage, PPE .....

take your pick.

it’s all political parties job to present in an election why the government is failing and how and why and why in the future that is going to be a problem.

I can tell you the amount of times any political party raised this as an issue in November / December, you know before the pandemic at the time of the election - none, zero.

so it’s easy now in May whilst we are in middle of a horrific global pandemic to say,

arrrghhhh but if only......
Absolutely. There are zero Government ministers, officials and health service executives and management that have pandemic planning responsibility written into their job description. There is absolutely nothing we could have done to avoid this.
 
Absolutely. There are zero Government ministers, officials and health service executives and management that have pandemic planning responsibility written into their job description. There is absolutely nothing we could have done to avoid this.

I think you need a new job if you think you can “avoid” being affected by a global pandemic which is pretty much in every country. Send your CV to the WHO they would love to hear from you
 
I think you need a new job if you think you can “avoid” being affected by a global pandemic which is pretty much in every country. Send your CV to the WHO they would love to hear from you
We cant avoid a pandemic. We could have avoided this number of deaths. Why aren't you as fucking angry as I am?
 
It was 122,347

Meanwhile, the UK government is expected to meet or “be very close” to its target of 100,000 coronavirus tests a day, housing secretary Robert Jenrick has said, after Boris Johnson promised a “comprehensive plan” on easing the country’s lockdown restrictions. Figures confirming this are expected to be released today.


Follow the latest updates below:

Government testing target exceeded, says Hancock
6 minutes ago
Prison coronavirus cases rise to total of 716

A total of 345 prisoners have tested positive for coronavirus in 73 jails as of 5pm on Thursday, the Ministry of Justice said.

Some 371 prison staff have also contracted the virus in 64 jails as well as 11 prisoner escort and custody services staff.

The figures reflect the total number of recorded positive cases and not the number of live cases, the MoJ said. This means the number includes those who have recovered.
  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 18:08
12 minutes ago

Could lockdown restrictions be varied by age group?

Officials are also studying deaths among different age groups as part of the planning for any easing of the lockdown, said Professor Powis.

"The over-70s can be absolutely fit and healthy, it's not the case that everybody over 70 has a chronic health condition or underlying disease," he said.

"As we look forward... I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to say how would that work in age groups and age bands?

"Although we do know that complications and unfortunately deaths are more common in the elderly even without complications, I think that's for consideration and that's work that we will need to do as we move forward."
  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 18:03
19 minutes ago
Disproportionate number of BAME deaths 'cause for concern'

The government's testing chief said that they were looking into the disproportionate number of deaths among people and NHS staff from ethnic minorities.

"There is cause for concern and we are talking to NHS England about any advice that should be given to staff," added Professor Newton.

"It's a very important issue, one that a number of people are looking at."

Professor Powis says the NHS was providing support to staff raising concerns about the issue.


  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 18:00
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25 minutes ago
Responding to a question about children, Covid-19 and the reopening of schools, Professor Powis said they were still looking at the evidence.

He said: "If a child or young person is symptomatic, then there is no reason to think they wouldn't transmit the virus in the way any other person who is symptomatic would do.

"I think the big question is how many children don't have symptoms but get the virus, and in those cases, how transmittable is the virus between them.

"I think that is data we are still accumulating, and evidence we are still learning about, and of course it is one of the key questions when it comes to schools and how schools are opened again.

"I think the true answer is that the evidence is still emerging over the transmissibility of the virus in children who don't show symptoms."
  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 17:50
29 minutes ago
Mr Hancock said that over the entire testing process, 1,023,824 tests had been carried out.

He described this as 'a new benchmark'.
  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 17:47
38 minutes ago
The daily test figures of 122,347 include delivery of 27,497 home kits, professor Newton says.

Excluding them would mean that the government had not met its target.

However Prof Newton says there has been no change to the way tests are counted, as tests sent outside the main NHS programme have always been counted when the tests are delivered rather than when actually carried out.

The full breakdown is as follows:

39,753 at NHS labs (including 13,723 at Roche)

39,153 at drive through and mobile units

27,497 home kits delivered

12,872 test delivered 'through the satellite process'

3,072 antibody tests
I have posted all of that barr the last bit
27,497 home kits delivered

12,872 test delivered 'through the satellite process'

Tests counted on sending out,in no measure is that tests completed,massaging the numbers to meet a political target
 
It was 122,347

Meanwhile, the UK government is expected to meet or “be very close” to its target of 100,000 coronavirus tests a day, housing secretary Robert Jenrick has said, after Boris Johnson promised a “comprehensive plan” on easing the country’s lockdown restrictions. Figures confirming this are expected to be released today.


Follow the latest updates below:

Government testing target exceeded, says Hancock
6 minutes ago
Prison coronavirus cases rise to total of 716

A total of 345 prisoners have tested positive for coronavirus in 73 jails as of 5pm on Thursday, the Ministry of Justice said.

Some 371 prison staff have also contracted the virus in 64 jails as well as 11 prisoner escort and custody services staff.

The figures reflect the total number of recorded positive cases and not the number of live cases, the MoJ said. This means the number includes those who have recovered.
  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 18:08
12 minutes ago

Could lockdown restrictions be varied by age group?

Officials are also studying deaths among different age groups as part of the planning for any easing of the lockdown, said Professor Powis.

"The over-70s can be absolutely fit and healthy, it's not the case that everybody over 70 has a chronic health condition or underlying disease," he said.

"As we look forward... I think it's a perfectly reasonable question to say how would that work in age groups and age bands?

"Although we do know that complications and unfortunately deaths are more common in the elderly even without complications, I think that's for consideration and that's work that we will need to do as we move forward."
  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 18:03
19 minutes ago
Disproportionate number of BAME deaths 'cause for concern'

The government's testing chief said that they were looking into the disproportionate number of deaths among people and NHS staff from ethnic minorities.

"There is cause for concern and we are talking to NHS England about any advice that should be given to staff," added Professor Newton.

"It's a very important issue, one that a number of people are looking at."

Professor Powis says the NHS was providing support to staff raising concerns about the issue.


  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 18:00
Advertisement
25 minutes ago
Responding to a question about children, Covid-19 and the reopening of schools, Professor Powis said they were still looking at the evidence.

He said: "If a child or young person is symptomatic, then there is no reason to think they wouldn't transmit the virus in the way any other person who is symptomatic would do.

"I think the big question is how many children don't have symptoms but get the virus, and in those cases, how transmittable is the virus between them.

"I think that is data we are still accumulating, and evidence we are still learning about, and of course it is one of the key questions when it comes to schools and how schools are opened again.

"I think the true answer is that the evidence is still emerging over the transmissibility of the virus in children who don't show symptoms."
  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 17:50
29 minutes ago
Mr Hancock said that over the entire testing process, 1,023,824 tests had been carried out.

He described this as 'a new benchmark'.
  • Peter Stubley
  • 1 May 2020 17:47
38 minutes ago
The daily test figures of 122,347 include delivery of 27,497 home kits, professor Newton says.

Excluding them would mean that the government had not met its target.

However Prof Newton says there has been no change to the way tests are counted, as tests sent outside the main NHS programme have always been counted when the tests are delivered rather than when actually carried out.

The full breakdown is as follows:

39,753 at NHS labs (including 13,723 at Roche)

39,153 at drive through and mobile units

27,497 home kits delivered

12,872 test delivered 'through the satellite process'

3,072 antibody tests

Very comprehensive , did they deal with my two questions


did they give any indication of when I can go fishing? And

confirm that the premier league is cancelled.
 
I have posted all of that barr the last bit
27,497 home kits delivered

12,872 test delivered 'through the satellite process'

Tests counted on sending out,in no measure is that tests completed,massaging the numbers to meet a political target
You heard him say how it's the recognised way of counting tests.
 
Very comprehensive , did they deal with my two questions


did they give any indication of when I can go fishing? And

confirm that the premier league is cancelled.
One twat asked about when will people be able to go on holiday with their elderly relatives. From the Express, I think.
 
Yeah he reckons it is much the same over the whole of the UK even accounting for regional variations,i expect they have a way to iron out the variations and see where the curve is,we have moved together as a country so I guess you would expect it to be overall the same result @Gelsons Dad is the expert in this i think
The curves on deaths are very different. England unfortunately tracks other major nations like Spain and Italy. Scotland and Wales are about the same as each other but much lower than England, NI lower than the other three. Based on deaths per 100,000. Just have a look at the Fail on line just now for detail on England and Wales, you will see massive regional differences based on poverty and ethnicity. He knows that obviously.
 
You heard him say how it's the recognised way of counting tests.
Recognised by who?,when has that been done before?,are other countries counting tests the same ?

This is like your boss saying he has paid your wages into your account so therefore you have been paid but you haven't received the money
 
Getting the antibody tests rolled out is key for me. Stanford University Medical school did a study and the mortality rate they found is between round 0.12%-0.2% pretty much the same as flu. Based on this then around 20% of people will have had it over here.

If that's the case then we should be looking to get out of lockdown asap.

https://reason.com/2020/04/17/covid-19-lethality-not-much-different-than-flu-says-new-study/
At the end

*UPDATE: One caveat is that a rough calculation applying the Santa Clara infection fatality rate to New York City's 11,000 COVID-19 deaths would imply that essentially all of city's residents have already been infected with the coronavirus. This seems implausible

*CORRECTION: I inadvertently used the projected number of 100 deaths from the study instead of the actual figure of 32 deaths on April 2, 2020. I regret the error

Based on Santa Clara area only
 
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