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Churchlawtonblue said:
I can also add that New Zealand is probably the most isolated western country in the world. LHR alone had 15 times more international flights than all of NZ. Plus there are no ferries to NZ. It always was in a very unique place to isolate itself from this virus and has done so very sucessully. Compariaons between NZ and any other country in the world has to be taken with a large pinch of salt.
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I’ve been to New Zealand mate and it very welcoming to international tourists. That’s probably changed due to Covid. FWIW, I have been on the ferry between the two islands and most international travel is by plane. Every country is unique and stating the obvious, we are an island nation ourselves but have suffered badly from the virus.

The point I’ve made over the last couple of days is that people who highlight Sweden vs the UK aren’t willing to give credit to New Zealand for their response to the pandemic. I don’t know why but it’s a bit surprising to me.

Hopefully, all Countries will see this through with the minimum of harm.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
not disputing that sweden was really hard hit, just wondering why its doing so well now. its clearly isnt just down to population density otherwise they wouldnt have been hit so hard in the first place. Something else is happening that we need to understand as Heald has stated.
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True mate. It might be that Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmo have healthier (and / or younger) populations than ours but it would be good to know.
 
bobmcfc said:
when you see the numbers it’s hard to imagine we aren’t heading for another lockdown. I think he layed the foundation for it today
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We won't have a lockdown like the last. My guess no meeting other households, hospitality curfew and table service rules, possibly some travel restrictions but think that could be held back, or targeted to selected areas..
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I’ve been to New Zealand mate and it very welcoming to international tourists. That’s probably changed due to Covid. FWIW, I have been on the ferry between the two islands and most international travel is by plane. Every country is unique and stating the obvious, we are an island nation ourselves but have suffered badly from the virus.

The point I’ve made over the last couple of days is that people who highlight Sweden vs the UK aren’t willing to give credit to New Zealand for their response to the pandemic. I don’t know why but it’s a bit surprising to me.

Hopefully, all Countries will see this through with the minimum of harm.
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I have never seen any evidence of that at all unless I've missed something. Are you suggesting that people won't give one or the other credit due too their political leaning or something? Can't quite work out your point.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I’ve been to New Zealand mate and it very welcoming to international tourists. That’s probably changed due to Covid. FWIW, I have been on the ferry between the two islands and most international travel is by plane. Every country is unique and stating the obvious, we are an island nation ourselves but have suffered badly from the virus.

The point I’ve made over the last couple of days is that people who highlight Sweden vs the UK aren’t willing to give credit to New Zealand for their response to the pandemic. I don’t know why but it’s a bit surprising to me.

Hopefully, all Countries will see this through with the minimum of harm.
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Not as a relation to Sweden at all, but I think NZ has a culture of anti-contamination, with limits on what can and can't be brought in. I suspect that helps NZ govt in enforcing strictures.
 
blueparrot said:
We won't have a lockdown like the last. My guess no meeting other households, hospitality curfew and table service rules, possibly some travel restrictions but think that could be held back, or targeted to selected areas..
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That will have very little effect as long as people are still packing offices, schools and public transport.
 
quiet_riot said:
That will have very little effect as long as people are still packing offices, schools and public transport.
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Think that depends which part of the country you're in. Think London many still working from home and if the 17% antibody figure is right they probably need different rules. I know Scotland working from home still encouraged and they think most transmission is happening with households mixing in homes and pubs.
 
One thing I did like about the briefing earlier was mention of the chessboard grain test to illustrate why doubling cases in a week IS a big deal.

Put one grain on the first square, double it to 2, then 4 etc. And guess how many would be on the 64th and final square. Almost everyone vastly under estimates how such growth accelerates as it looks 'small numbers' at first.

But the answer is 18,446,744,073,709,551,615.

A number that would take longer to count up to than the age of the planet Earth.

As in billions of years.

It is so easy to think a few extra hundred in hospital is a small problem.
 
mosssideblue said:
That was a projection based on current inflation rates and is perfectly fine as a projection. BBC reporting the facts as given
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Straight from the govt too.

The plan is clearly to indicate the potential rise at the current rate if nothing changes, and then to point out that deaths/hospitalisations will rise too - but not putting a figure on those last two.

Best way to do this is to keep it simple, without sidetrack notes.
 
I've visited most European countries down the years, perhaps we also need to drill down into the psyche of a nation, rather than just pure numbers?

I have yet to visit anywhere that resembles a UK town or city centre on any regular Friday or Saturday night?

We might be close to Europe from a geographical point of view but a very large section of our society behaves as if they are the only people that constantly matter.
 
Tim of the Oak said:
I’ve been to New Zealand mate and it very welcoming to international tourists. That’s probably changed due to Covid. FWIW, I have been on the ferry between the two islands and most international travel is by plane. Every country is unique and stating the obvious, we are an island nation ourselves but have suffered badly from the virus.

The point I’ve made over the last couple of days is that people who highlight Sweden vs the UK aren’t willing to give credit to New Zealand for their response to the pandemic. I don’t know why but it’s a bit surprising to me.

Hopefully, all Countries will see this through with the minimum of harm.
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NZ have done brilliantly but the point i was making is it is unique in being far less connected than any other country in the world. It has no international ferries we are an island nation true but we had over 20million international ferry passengers last year alone. throw in tens if not hundreds more international flights and the channel tunnel and you can see how much more connected the UK is.
 
So Scotland cases up in week from 70 to 255 and % from 2.7% to 6.3%

And Wales from 183 to 234 and % from 1.9 to 2.7.

The second measure in particular is either good news or bad news. You might argue that by rising it means cases are soaring. Or that we are uncovering a wider number of the cases that exist by better targetted testing.

Probably a little of both.
 
True_Blue69 said:
Didn't he say earlier is doubling every week? Or is Wales not progressing as quick?
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Test data is always a bit of a lag as it takes a day or two for some of it to come back. And it varies day to day everywhere. Look at the GM numbers I post here. We are in a huge pandemic but day to day they go up and down.

Its trends over the week not literal day to day that matter.
 
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