COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[cleavers]

The worst thing that happened was the gagging of the scientists in favour of backing cummings ,the scientists were clear!y not happy ,i think when we look back that will be the turning point for lack of clarity and information and some erosion of public compliance , we now need to hear from the scientists regularly and the gov needs to follow their advice ,winter is a dangerous time and we need proper clear and cal. People delivering the messages

Sorry but that is rubbish, after that, for quite a long time, we got it fully under control as a country, and every measure fell to a minimum. Stop bringing politics into it, there's few governments worldwide haven't made a shit show of dealing with it.

We lost control again, when too much opened up again to get the economy going, and were then unfortunate to have a shitty bank holiday weekend where the weather meant everybody enjoyed themselves indoors, allowing spread from pricks like the fella in Bolton, who instead of following quarantine decided to go on a pub crawl infecting half the town.

 

[cleavers]

They publish them once a week for the past 7 days not daily as they used to do. Unless they change it there will not be another update until the end of this week. Certainly on Gov.Uk.

I'm pretty sure they were updating each day last week, we'll see later if the 19th appears.

 

[Marvin]

The problem we have is that part of the social group who are carrying the infection are immune to cajoling, therefore we will have cyclical or 'sawtooth' restrictions on activity, and this briefing is part of that strategy.

 

[kaz7]

Sorry but that is rubbish, after that, for quite a long time, we got it fully under control as a country, and every measure fell to a minimum. Stop bringing politics into it, there's few governments worldwide haven't made a shit show of dealing with it.

We lost control again, when too much opened up again to get the economy going, and were then unfortunate to have a shitty bank holiday weekend where the weather meant everybody enjoyed themselves indoors, allowing spread from pricks like the fella in Bolton, who instead of following quarantine decided to go on a pub crawl infecting half the town.

Why were the scientists dropped from the briefings ? Do you think hancock trying to present the graphs was better or did he make a hash of it ? Politics and covid are inertwined , we have scientists who have spent a lifetime in this field they should never have been dropped, I hope they are back to stay ,i want to hear them

 

[Healdplace]

I'm pretty sure they were updating each day last week, we'll see later if the 19th appears.

Where are you looking? They did not on the Gov.UK site. If there is a place they are doing I would love to know so I can post the % in here daily.

 

[Mayor West]

I've just read 50,000 cases per day by mid October, this really shouldn't be on the BBC homepage, scaremongering at it's best with no way of knowing that for sure, just a total guess.

 

[Healdplace]

Scottish data:

0 deaths - but Nicola Sturgeon warns likely only as this is Sunday data.

255 cases at 6.3 % another new record high rate. And she added this daily rise is actually now even higher than this in some parts of Scotland (likely Greater Glasgow for sure).

103 caes in Glasgow 47 Lanarkshire and 30 Lothian

73 (+!0) Biggest rise yet on this new much lower way of defining a Covid patient number - which was 30 less just 6 days ago. So it has indeed been douling here just like in England inside a week.

8 ventilator icu (-1) Though adds that more older people are being seen catching it and leading to rise in icu cases.

 

[Cityzen_89]

It wasn't a "prediction", it was a worst case if we do nothing.

So it was a prediction then.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

I've just read 50,000 cases per day by mid October, this really shouldn't be on the BBC homepage, scaremongering at it's best with no way of knowing that for sure, just a total guess.

It isn’t a guess.
Do some basic statistics.

 

[Healdplace]

NIcola spoke to Michael Gove and got confirmation there WILL be a Cobra meeting; But they have not decided when yet.

Her frustration given the urgency was obvious and her determination will be to act unilaterally tomorrow even if the UK government keeps dithering and still has not called the Cobra meeting.

She, the leaders of the other nations and the most infected region in England mayor have all called for this repeatedly over the weekend.

Scotland wants this to be a UK united decision but will not wait and will go it alone if they are forced to by Westminster still making up its mind.

She also disparaged the herd immunity argument and pointed out that lives of not just the elderly but vulnerable younger people are still at risk and (as Kaz knows) even those who survive can have long term health consequences.

She asks all citizens to think what changes they can make now to their daily life without being asked to and by doing so try to help their country.

If only the UK had more politicians who treated citizens as involved people in a combined fight to resolve this problem.

 

[cleavers]

Why were the scientists dropped from the briefings ? Do you think hancock trying to present the graphs was better or did he make a hash of it ?

I wasn't aware they were, a better question is why were the briefings dropped altogether ?

Politics and covid are inertwined , we have scientists who have spent a lifetime in this field they should never have been dropped, I hope they are back to stay ,i want to hear them

Of course they are, but do you think the politicians have been deliberately stupid, trying to make a shit show of it all, can you imagine how hard their work is trying to balance an economy (which we all need), the health of a country (and I don't mean covid, I mean all of it).

How difficult do you think all that is ? You seem to think you have all the answers, it's a pity then that you are not in charge of running it then ;-) (not a dig by the way, just an ironic comment), personally I think they've worked hard in an extremely difficult situation, and are trying to do their best, and failing because everything is too reactionary, and not proactive

I don't like the politics of any of them in this country, because it's always about division, so no matter who is running the show the other lot will always claim it's shit, and will get backing from certain members of the media, who are just as guilty for the shit show as the politicians in my view, because they hype up every negative possible, rather than reporting facts. In this current situation having a divided nation running 4 different governments hasn't helped either, all following their own selfish political agenda's, and yet here we are, it's climbing pretty much the same again in all 4 countries, despite each following a slightly different path.

We need more of the scientists explaining the science on that we completely agree, we need it explaining to the masses who don't understand it, there was very good presentation early on with red dots, showing spread with different R numbers, it was a graphic that even the thickest could understand.

Anyway I'm off to do some panic buying....

 

[cleavers]

Where are you looking? They did not on the Gov.UK site. If there is a place they are doing I would love to know so I can post the % in here daily.

It was on the gov site on the graphs, I'll look later and post if it is updated again, as I know the latest there now is for the 18th.

 

[cleavers]

I've just read 50,000 cases per day by mid October, this really shouldn't be on the BBC homepage, scaremongering at it's best with no way of knowing that for sure, just a total guess.

It wasn't a prediction, it was just a worse case scenario if nothing was done because it is doubling every 7 days right now, they also said that measure in place or coming into place, will slow that.

Fancy the media scaremongering, who'd have thought it ?

 

[kaz7]

Hancock was on this morning with Phil and holly today ,sure sign of softening us up ,few cases from schools and work, coming from socializing mainly,will be keeping schools open
He knows that restrictions on socializing is difficult, sounds like that is where more restrictions will be

He also says people have caught it twice,less severe second time but it appears you can spread it again, fuck sake

 

[cleavers]

So it was a prediction then.

Err no, because we ARE doing things.

 

[Healdplace]

Scottish chief scientist noted that 68,000 in Europe caught the virus on Saturday. Highest on one day sibce the start.

On Saturday in France there were 13,000 new cases and 154 deaths.

Spain 14,000 and 239 deaths.

'You do not have to look very far to find countries struggling with the same impossible choice'. He noted.

Also he said that more younger women are being hospitalised than before.

 

[kaz7]

I've just read 50,000 cases per day by mid October, this really shouldn't be on the BBC homepage, scaremongering at it's best with no way of knowing that for sure, just a total guess.

it is not a guess ,it is what will happen if it continues to double every 7 days ,if we don't pull together now then that will happen

 

[Cityzen_89]

Err no, because we ARE doing things.

That makes zero sense. A prediction is a guess but with facts to back it up. The government are making a prediction about what could happen worst case with the evidence available to them.

 

[Healdplace]

It was on the gov site on the graphs, I'll look later and post if it is updated again, as I know the latest there now is for the 18th.

Will take a look when it updates later. Had not checked there for it. Thank you.

But as you say even these only go up to the end of the data added on the site with its normal weekly update last Friday. But if they updated daily last week when the other did not that might change later today.

They certainly are doing more tests now from that weekly data. Ten days ago the pillar 1 and 2 tests were at about 175K. Now they are up around 225K. Obviously a partial factor in why cases are rising.

But without being able to know more specific information on things like how many people were tested (as many are tested not just once as its not an easy test to get right) its hard to work out a &%. Which the other nations all do and publish daily but England hasnt.

It is far more useful than just raw test numbers. They sound impressive to the public - hence I suspect why they love giving them - as we did 20,000 tests in April and are doing a quarter of a million now = progress & one of best in world = good spin.

But the % rate going up and up and up (as it is in all three nations we get daily data from so obviously is in England and probably even more steeply in areas like GM) is a negative dynamic and they seem to prefer it not to be more widely known.

But guess which one of these two the WHO think is most important.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Because we are three weeks behind them as we have been from the start ,we only need what will happen here,what is going on in other countries doesn't matter, the message today had to be clear on what we have to do,herd immunity was scrapped or not mentioned as soon as we had large numbers dying , 8% of the population have antibodies ,you need 60% + to get herd immunity

You contradicted yourself there Karen, if it doesnt matter what is happening in other countries why is it ok to only compare ourselves with some countries and not others. Why is it wrong to ask why some countries are doing better than ourselves?

Why is it wrong to ask questions about herd immnunity, your figures of 60% are certainly in question based on the analysis of some places. this virus is new we do not fully understand it.