COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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Rammy Blue said:
Which is particularly concerning considering we are “supposedly” better at dealing with people who are ill with the disease...
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Well quite. 50% better according to my registrar daughter, which should improve over the next month or so as the Trump drug cocktail is rolled out.
 
worsleyweb said:
Lots I know have it now. Upto 20 people across family and work. Only one been really poorly to the extent has to go to hospital.

going to see my dad for only the 4th time this year tommorow and having a 2 metre chat. I might be breaking the rules a bit I dont know but I can live with that. Won’t touch or go too close and will be outdoors.
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It’s your dad give him a bloody big hug fella
 
hilts said:
It’s your dad give him a bloody big hug fella
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i saw him mate but didn’t hug him. I am on site all week and lots and lots of people getting it who I come into contact with. My dad would be Bolloxed if he got this. He has heart issues and also it is not fair on his wife who has had cancer several time’s as well. They have not even in shops or done anything at all for ages. I could never forgive myself if he got it off me and it felt a bit like if I hugged him he was being exposed to all the people I am seeing.

Told him how much I love him and we had a great chat from a good distance.

Want to be hugging him for many more years yet.
 
Got told in March I had COVID although not tested, I had positive antibody test in July and fell ill last Sunday, tested positive on Friday so by all means it’s my second bout of COVID
 
Bit worrying if we are going to get this twice, perhaps genetically a different strain
Antibodies hopefully mean milder outcome this time
 
mrbelfry said:
The rise is case figures today may be the result of yesterday's low ones as they are an indicator of when they are counted more than when the infection was tested. Obviously trends can be spotted as Healdplace demonstrated weeks ago but low figures and large figures can be slightly misleading
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That is absolutely correct. If you check the numbers against the reallocated dates 5 days later - both are on thw website - they are often totally different.

Have considered posting a weekly list for GM but thought it might get confusing. Especially as it will backdate 5 days.

Might try it as a one off experiment tomorrow so the actual cases allocated to the date can be seen alongside the ones released from the tests on that date for GM.

But I post enough data on here as it is which I doubt most people have the time or energy to wade through. So that's why I never have.
 
somapop said:
For those that know far more about vaccines than I, is there real cause for concern with the mink coronavirus jump?
From what I picked up on here, the CV19 was RNA based (which normally makes it more likely to mutate anyway) unlike DNA. However, so far, it doesn't look like it's mutating a great deal (unless this mink story urinates over that....)
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Not really.
Just scare tactics to try and get the Covidiots in line.
The only worry is for folks who haven't had it - it may be worse than earlier editions. The vast majority of those who have had it will not have it worse the 2nd time round.
The only worry is those who haven't had it yet.
We really need to infect healthy under 30 volunteers without underlying conditions if the vaccine isn't ready yet. Its a numbers game - the more people who have had it and survive without many symptoms the better.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Not really.
Just scare tactics to try and get the Covidiots in line.
The only worry is for folks who haven't had it - it may be worse than earlier editions. The vast majority of those who have had it will not have it worse the 2nd time round.
The only worry is those who haven't had it yet.
We really need to infect healthy under 30 volunteers without underlying conditions if the vaccine isn't ready yet. Its a numbers game - the more people who have had it and survive without many symptoms the better.
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Isn't the issue more in terms of the vaccines in production, that if this mutation is out there it appears more difficult to vaccinate against and the ones in production may be of little use? Apologies if I've read all this wrong, but from what I've seen the major issue seems to be around how this new mutation will affect vaccine/antibodies.
 
As for the Sat/Sun/Mon deaths - they are always spread over a few previous days not JUST the say before - though you often see the news quote the number as being 'people who died yesterday'. Which it never actually is.

Because the full data is accessible I always post the England hospital numbers in a list PER DATE when reported.

Today the 283 covered lots of days and only 55 of them actually happened yesterday (6 November). 115 (the most in this batch) happened on 5 November.

This is why I post a running total for each date every day as the raw number released and quoted by the media is never in any way the actual number of people who died in England hospitals yesterday or over the past 24 hours.

3 of those 283 today actually died in May, July and September. Several last week were from as far back as March or April.

So I keep a log of all the deaths on the actual day and these change even weeks and weeks later sometimes.

But obviously no deaths from the actual day of the report are included. The cut off is the evening before. So there is nearly always the most deaths reported on Tuesday and sometimes Wednesday because the Tuesday one reports data from Monday and Sunday evening. And Wednesday has some hold over from later on Monday as well as Tuesday. And whilst you can register a death over the weekend there are always cases that are left until early the next week.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
Isn't the issue more in terms of the vaccines in production, that if this mutation is out there it appears more difficult to vaccinate against and the ones in production may be of little use? Apologies if I've read all this wrong, but from what I've seen the major issue seems to be around how this new mutation will affect vaccine/antibodies.
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Not really.
The BIG problem with Covid is that our immune systems have never encountered anything like it before. Once the immune system is primed it is much easier to fight off infection by a new variant.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Not really.
Just scare tactics to try and get the Covidiots in line.
The only worry is for folks who haven't had it - it may be worse than earlier editions. The vast majority of those who have had it will not have it worse the 2nd time round.
The only worry is those who haven't had it yet.
We really need to infect healthy under 30 volunteers without underlying conditions if the vaccine isn't ready yet. Its a numbers game - the more people who have had it and survive without many symptoms the better.
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Thanks - good explanation.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Not really.
The BIG problem with Covid is that our immune systems have never encountered anything like it before. Once the immune system is primed it is much easier to fight off infection by a new variant.
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I'm still a bit confused BA. Whilst I understand what you're saying re our immune systems and secondary infection whether by a new variant or otherwise, isn't this a bigger concern for those who haven't yet been infected and are in the constant lockdown/release cycle whilst awaiting a vaccine? Particularly if, as I say, the vaccines which are in production might be much less effective or actually completely ineffective against the new variant?

What I mean is, this news might not mean so much for those who've had covid already, but for those who've not (the vast majority of the population) ...its potentially huge?

Willing to be corrected btw, but that's my take on everything I've read on this.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
I'm still a bit confused BA. Whilst I understand what you're saying re our immune systems and secondary infection whether by a new variant or otherwise, isn't this a bigger concern for those who haven't yet been infected and are in the constant lockdown/release cycle whilst awaiting a vaccine? Particularly if, as I say, the vaccines which are in production might be much less effective or actually completely ineffective against the new variant?

What I mean is, this news might not mean so much for those who've had covid already, but for those who've not (the vast majority of the population) ...its potentially huge?

Willing to be corrected btw, but that's my take on everything I've read on this.
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Well my interpretation was that the issue is people catching this variant before they have a vaccine, as it may not work on someone who's got a variant that can bypass their immune system (and likely cripple them). I think the point may be that once you've had a vaccine, then if you catch this variant your immune system will be trained, but we won't necessarily be able to train an immune system that's already compromised by a variant that bypasses it, which may cause a bundle of problems for them.

That's how I've read the back and forth anyway.
 
PannickAtTheDisco said:
Well my interpretation was that the issue is people catching this variant before they have a vaccine, as it may not work on someone who's got a variant that can bypass their immune system (and likely cripple them). I think the point may be that once you've had a vaccine, then if you catch this variant your immune system will be trained, but we won't necessarily be able to train an immune system that's already compromised by a variant that bypasses it, which may cause a bundle of problems for them.

That's how I've read the back and forth anyway.
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Wow, yeah, my brain really never took that in. Gotcha now... Thank you and @BlueAnorak
 
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