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Ric said:
A hypothetical question - I live in Stockport which is in Tier 3 (despite having relatively low infection rates), but Poynton, a few miles away, is in Tier 2. Would I be breaking the rules by going to a restaurant in Poynton?
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Yes you would although i have just booked a meal for Lymm for saturday night so am doing the same.
 
somapop said:
Do we have any idea when Swiss/Medic will approve the vaccine? Have family over there is all...
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None whatsoever. Hours to months.
somapop said:
Wasn't this prof fairly vocal a while back?
Of course, this now fuelling the anti vaxxers latest missives...

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This isn't even telling us anything. Also after a very (lazy) search I couldn't even find a press release or similar to state they were missing info? Someone please show me if you find it.
Drug applications follow a strict format and so if it's study data they need it must be outside of what's considered necessary for a submission. No issue with that, it's just thoroughness, however it may also be something as mundane as info on the proposed packaging. Point is we really don't know, probably won't know, and unfortunately Switzerland won't be a priority market for any of these applications.
 
03 March 2002 said:
It's a matter of approach. The Swiss are independent (their MHRA is SwissMedic) They, like the MHRA are incredibly thorough. Each territory is 95% aligned but with certain nuances. For example, the Japanese (in my experience) ask a lot about carcinogens, they will generally ask for additional information around the work done to prove they are not present or below the Theoretical Threshold for Concern as we call it, typically ~10-15 parts per million.

If the MHRA didn't ask for this (we don't know, they've been reviewing since October and information on pre-existing conditions would be available largely at the point of initial study recruitment with further evidence being added to the dossier as it's acquired through the clinical trial). Ultimately the MHRA has said that there were no serious side effects reported (and no side effects outside of normal vaccine administration side effects which lasted more than a day(?)). From this the MHRA is likely to infer therefore with the knowledge of pre-existing conditions of the clinical trial participants that there's no concern. They may have also asked for the additional info and got it. We won't know that.

Don't hold your breath on the full report. I've never seen one and therefore assume they don't provide them. A certificate is issued to the company who owns the process for drug manufacture and it's good to go. In my opinion one of the most clandestine things about the whole process and certainly a potential area for improvement.

My experience of difficulty to register a new drug by territory (hardest first):

1. Japan/Swizerland/UK
2. Europe/America
3. Rest of the world
4. China
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Thanks.
Detailed and with explanations of how it works.
Unlike some ‘experts’ in the Twittersphere denouncing the UK registration as flawed and it then being retweeted by those wishing to make capital.
Comforting to think we are on a par with Japan and Switzerland in our thoroughness.
 
03 March 2002 said:
None whatsoever. Hours to months.

This isn't even telling us anything. Also after a very (lazy) search I couldn't even find a press release or similar to state they were missing info? Someone please show me if you find it.
Drug applications follow a strict format and so if it's study data they need it must be outside of what's considered necessary for a submission. No issue with that, it's just thoroughness, however it may also be something as mundane as info on the proposed packaging. Point is we really don't know, probably won't know, and unfortunately Switzerland won't be a priority market for any of these applications.
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Thanks mate.
Seems like the dying embers of the flat earther's (they're all the same thing really). You can feel the smugness dripping off some of these twitter posts. Some actively want the vaccine to either fail or have drastic side effects.
These people need better hobbies.

Not only that but we've only signed off of those as well (not all three) so not really a comparison.
 
I do not know how valid this is but some person on Twitter posted data claiming (I think) that 1050 of the 1346 people admitted to hospital a month ago in the data cited and then counted on the Gov.UK dashboard as a 'Covid' patient admission did not actually get admitted for that reason or with a positive test even.

Some degree of that I would have expected but not at this level as it infers hospitals should all be in tier 4 as they are the worst infected areas in the UK and spreading it to vulnerable people brought in for other reasons.

Obviously that is expected and this is impossible to stop entirely. But we created those extra hospitals and seem not to be using them wisely - for instance as some kind of triage or discharge facility. And there are quiter cottage hospitals outside cities that must be less infected.

Only people with negative tests sent there waiting for care packages so as to be discharged. Not left waiting on wards where Covid is rife. I know from first hand experience in my family discharge can take weeks. How many people are dying 'with Covid' that they actually did not have before they arrived?


Data like this matters as it is about a human life. We should not be playing games with it for any reason.
 
Ban-jani said:
I live in Romiley and not far either. What’s frustrating is Romiley/Compstall has been in green for a while on the government live interactive map, meaning it’s got very few cases.

Looks like only about 10% of the country like that and yet we’re tier 3.
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Yea get Jakes & Indigo open now !
 
And as I speak the BBC news reports that the contact trace stats have gone up and more people are now being reached......BUT....the rules have changed so if they speak to one person in a household they then don't then have to ensure everyone in the household individually agrees. Though I think they do if they are over 18. They just count the rest as all complying.

No wonder we are in a mess if we really are massaging data to make things look better or worse in whatever circumstance.
 
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shemnel said:
the absolute defence of MHRA is interesting - that's the EU and the US that have now questioned the UK's speed. Now, i dont know either way, but the jumping to the MHRA's defence is curious. But i suppose we will see in time.
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Have you ever dealt with UK health bureaucracy?
If you have you will know that their rules are sacrosanct and they can't be sidestepped.
The audience of who has to be consulted to gain approval since we left the EU is now much smaller and that is the reason. Nothing else.
 
Healdplace said:
I do not know how valid this is but some person on Twitter posted data claiming (I think) that 1050 of the 1346 people admitted to hospital a month ago in the data cited and then counted on the Gov.UK dashboard as a 'Covid' patient admission did not actually get admitted for that reason or with a positive test even.

Some degree of that I would have expected but not at this level as it infers hospitals should all be in tier 4 as they are the worst infected areas in the UK and spreading it to vulnerable people brought in for other reasons.

Obviously that is expected and this is impossible to stop entirely. But we created those extra hospitals and seem not to be using them wisely - for instance as some kind of triage or discharge facility. And there are quiter cottage hospitals outside cities that must be less infected.

Only people with negative tests sent there waiting for care packages so as to be discharged. Not left waiting on wards where Covid is rife. I know from first hand experience in my family discharge can take weeks. How many people are dying 'with Covid' that they actually did not have before they arrived?


Data like this matters as it is about a human life. We should not be playing games with it for any reason.
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Could you link to this please?
 
Ric said:
A hypothetical question - I live in Stockport which is in Tier 3 (despite having relatively low infection rates), but Poynton, a few miles away, is in Tier 2. Would I be breaking the rules by going to a restaurant in Poynton?
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The Strawberry Pig ? - good shout but not worth becoming a fugitive over.
 
Has the track and trace system been hacked!!???

My Mrs has received 15 messages with random names, alerting to self isolate.

All of them have come from the actual track and trace contact/number that we received when we actually had Covid.

The names are completely random... imran, Steven, Muhammad etc.

The messages look almost identical to the proper one but there’s additional links in the text, which we presume is what will sting you.

They only started coming through today.

Anyone else had that?
 
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