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artfuldodger said:
Too many closed shops, too many Poundlands, awful parking. I live in Stockport, but can be in Manchester in 12 minutes on the train. Debenhams shutting will be the final straw. But each to their own.
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I might just be issuing propaganda for Elise as I happen to know her. So do confess to a tad bias here.
 
bluethrunthru said:
They went to T2 2nd December - 13th or 14th Hancock told Parliament of its existence mostly on London and the South East but they went into T4 as of Boxing Day
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Not sure that’s right?

London and Kent etc were in t4 before christmas

pretty sure it was the same week Hancock mentioned the new strain in the commons
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
the Mersey way shopping centre is a dump. The other area (where toys r us was) with curry’s and boots is pretty popular though. As mentioned previously, lots of people from areas in Manchester go there.

they need to sort the market area out as that part is actually really nice. Lots of good pubs as well.

slightly off topic though ..
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We use the Peel, the one you are referring to, we rarely venture into Merseyway unless we have to.

Id go to Manchester for a big shop, which is very rare anyway but let’s be frank, Manchester is a bit of a dump too, especially around Piccadilly Gardens and Market Street.
 
bluethrunthru said:
They went to T2 2nd December - 13th or 14th Hancock told Parliament of its existence mostly on London and the South East but they went into T4 as of Boxing Day
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Less than a couple of weeks then, not several weeks, tbf. The only difference at that time is that we could go to empty pubs and restaurants with family, if the places were open. Many did not bother pulling up the shutters.
 
Del_Bosque said:
Not sure that’s right?

London and Kent etc were in t4 before christmas

pretty sure it was the same week Hancock mentioned the new strain in the commons
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Yes, T4 was midnight on Sat 19th (when the rush at St Pancras was).
There was about 3 days in Tier 3 before that, midnight of 15th/16th, I think.
 
Ban-jani said:
We use the Peel, the one you are referring to, we rarely venture into Merseyway unless we have to.

Id go to Manchester for a big shop, which is very rare anyway but let’s be frank, Manchester is a bit of a dump too, especially around Piccadilly Gardens and Market Street.
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Yea I’d demolish the Merseyway. Focus on local businesses and make the centre stand out. Needs to be different from Manchester, not a carbon copy. As I said the market area is what they need to copy.

I can’t stand going shopping in town, but I’d take it over the Trafford centre - hell on earth
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
Yea I’d demolish the Merseyway. Focus on local businesses and make the centre stand out. Needs to be different from Manchester, not a carbon copy. As I said the market area is what they need to copy.

I can’t stand going shopping in town, but I’d take it over the Trafford centre - hell on earth
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Fully agree with all of this mate.

And I’ve always been Arndale Centre over Trafford Centre.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
Yes, T4 was midnight on Sat 19th (when the rush at St Pancras was).
There was about 3 days in Tier 3 before that, midnight of 15th/16th, I think.
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still means there was a couple of weeks where the new more transmissible strain was running through London and the South East before T4 set in which might explain the reason for the start of the rapid increases in infections as referred to by the poster I responded to - its not to put blame anywhere simply to try and explain.
 
bluethrunthru said:
still means there was a couple of weeks where the new more transmissible strain was running through London and the South East before T4 set in which might explain the reason for the start of the rapid increases in infections as referred to by the poster I responded to - its not to put blame anywhere simply to try and explain.
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Ye I think Hancock announced they were aware of the new strains prevelance on Mon/Tues and it was off to Portondown for testing etc

Friday they confirmed it was more transmissable, Saturday t4 for London and Kent, Christmas break reduced

boxing day t4 for most of the rest of the SE

They moved quickly but it must have been knocking about for a while for cases to spike to much, Wales is a good example
 
bluethrunthru said:
still means there was a couple of weeks where the new more transmissible strain was running through London and the South East before T4 set in which might explain the reason for the start of the rapid increases in infections as referred to by the poster I responded to - its not to put blame anywhere simply to try and explain.
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Yep, was just providing the dates.

The new strain isn't a very good basis for putting London into T3 on 2/12, as it was barely known at the time. It started being noticed mostly in Kent and Essex, moving west as time passed. At that time, it probably wasn't clear that this new strain was what it was, and it was the reason given for pushing London/SE into T3 on about 16th Dec.

I thought London should have gone into T3 on 2/12, rather than T2, as it would suppress the numbers prevalent at the time, but would have run counter to the Christmas relaxation. How much difference being in T3 would have caused can only be guessed at, but it would presumably have slowed the spread to some degree.

From what I've seen, it would have needed Kent and Essex to be put into T3 as well as London. T4 didn't even exist until 21st as far as I know.
 
Del_Bosque said:
They moved quickly
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They really didn't.

Health professionals and scientists had been calling for action purely on the basis of the numbers, without any knowledge of the new variant for a long time before.

And they *still* have taken no action in the majority of the country where according to their own statements they *expect* the virus to run out of control.

You could describe this response in many ways, but "quick" it is not.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
They really didn't.

Health professionals and scientists had been calling for action purely on the basis of the numbers, without any knowledge of the new variant for a long time before.

And they *still* have taken no action in the majority of the country where according to their own statements they *expect* the virus to run out of control.

You could describe this response in many ways, but "quick" it is not.
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I agree with that.

It was odds-on that the NHS would be under pressure in the new year, and there was no widespread attempt to make this less bad (or at least later) by suppressing the numbers after the lockdown. The relaxation to T2 was the opposite of being an attempt to further suppress.
 
Manc in London said:
Student population density in London is low? Seriously?! Have you not seen how many universities in London, regardless of population. Not to mention the teaching hospital trusts. It is also worth noting that I was talking about cases in absolute terms.

As for the age groups, it was school age, early 20s and those between mid 30s and 50s.

The area in the capital where the new variant was mainly concentrated was in East London. This was spreading around the schools in the area.
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Low in relative terms. I agree with this revision.
 
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