COVID-19 — Coronavirus

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A virus seems to find a natural path towards coexistence if you consider all the pandemics of the past where we had none of the knowledge or ability to wipe them out as we do today. They did not tend to go on forever. There was a balance struck at some point so in some sense the virus does learn to adapt to what humans do to combat it as it wants us around to infect not wiped out. This is not an invasion. More like when a stray cat adopts you and knows it will be OK so long as it does not do stuff that will cause you to want rid. Evolution is often sold as survival of the fittest but most of the time it is about finding the balance point that allows mutual coexistence.
 
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Cityfan said:
As far as I have seen the most important thing with most of the drugs that Trump got is to give them early.
By the time they get to hospital the optimum time for giving the ones other than the steroids is passed.
Trump got them early.
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Maybe but on admission to hospital patients get loaded up with a major drug cocktail of steroids, Heprin (anti colagulant), vit D, Calcitriol (vit D already converted to immune system modulator as it takes the Liver 5 days to convert vit D to Calcittriol), Potassium, anti inflammatory and loads of other stuff including an anti viral. Anyone going to ICU is loaded up with survivor plasma and other stuff.
Whatever, the end result is that the death rate has dropped by between 60-70% since April
 
Eds said:
I just wish all the idiots who are posting pictures on social media showing them at dinner parties with multiple households and no social distancing see this. The country is full of selfish twats who are just carrying on as normal. I know plenty of people who have had the virus, some badly, and other who have died with it. Why are people still carrying on hugging and kissing friends, having people in their houses etc etc.
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we can bring back the clapping if that will help?
 
The thing we still don't do is get patients with low oxygenation into hospital quickly enough if it drops below 93% ring 999.
Nurses should be checking patients in there own homes daily if they are ill.
This is Germany's secret weapon against Covid it was introduced as a preventative measure against Sepsis for older people in the community a few years ago and it has done them really well in this pandemic. For the life of me I don't know why Doctor's surgeries are not doing it in the UK rather than deploying watch towers and barbed wire to keep patients out.
 
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Healdplace said:
GREATER MANCHESTER SCOREBOARD:

855 Cases - up from 717. 33% of the 2551 NW cases.

3 wks v 2 wks v last wk v TODAY:- 481 v 442 v 813 v 855 TODAY


MANCHESTER 152 up from 122, Total cases 35, 086. Weekly 1068. Pop Score up 27 to 6346. Weekly Pop down 10 to 193.

STOCKPORT 127 up from 84. Worst in about 5 or 6 weeks. Total cases 12, 217. Weekly 657. Highest weekly in some time here and now second worst weekly numbers here in GM a\only behind Manchester after being best for months in the past. Pop score up 42 to 4162. Highest rise in GM today. Long long time since Stockport had that record. Weekly Pop up big - 18 - to 222. Nearly 7 weeks since Stockport was this high and from second best Pop score in GM to one of the worst is a big recent change.

WIGAN 97 up from 83. Total cases 18, 823. Weekly 612. Better than Stockport shows how these two boroughs have flipped fortunes in past month. Pop Score up 30 to 5728. Weekly Pop stays at 187.

ROCHDALE 86 up from 40. Total cases 14, 518. Weekly 516. Pop score up 37 to 6526. Weekly Pop up 2 to 230.

BOLTON 77 down from 84. Total cases 16, 868. Weekly 450. Pop score up 26 to 5865. Weekly Pop up 7 to 155. As the best Pop in GM 155 is the highest that 'low' has been for 6 weeks when Trafford was best at 149.

TAMESIDE 75 up from 67. Total cases 11, 609. Weekly 437. Lowest weekly in GM - Just! Pop score up 31 to 5123. Weekly Pop up 14 to 190.

SALFORD 70 up from 43. Total cases 15, 087. Weekly 548. Pop score up 28 to 5830.Weekly Pop down 5 to 213.

BURY 66 down from 78. Total cases 11, 393. Weekly 461. Pop score up 36 to 5967. Weekly Pop stays at 243. Highest in GM - but Stockport is coming!

TRAFFORD 53 down from 64. Better day but misses lowest score just. Total cases 10, 101. Weekly 536. Pop score up 23 to 4256. Not lowest today either. But good enough to slice big into Stockport's overall Pop score lead by a whopping 19 in one day to leave it at just 94. Weekly Pop down 8 to 226. Slicing the gap to Stockport in the weekly number too from 30 to 4 in one go!

OLDHAM 52 level with yesterday Top Dog in GM was unthinkable when it was in the top 3 worst in Britain in the autumn. But shows other places suffering now it can be done. Total cases 16, 478. Weekly 449. But amazingly only 12 behind Tameside for the lowest weekly cases title now. Pop score up just 22 to 6950. Best in GM today which given that this Pop Score is about to become only the third in the country to enter the 7000 club shows how this is a giant leap forward for this borough. Weekly Pop up 2 to 190.

Had you said a month or two ago that the only 5 boroughs in GM with a Pop Score under 200 would only be basket cases Bolton, Wigan, Oldham, Tameside and Manchester and the ones then all with low scores would be up top it would have been improbable.

This reversal in fortunes shows how these tiers leak cases and do not staunch them.
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You do yourself no favours using terms like “basket cases”
 
BlueAnorak said:
Maybe but on admission to hospital patients get loaded up with a major drug cocktail of steroids, Heprin (anti colagulant), vit D, Calcitriol (vit D already converted to immune system modulator as it takes the Liver 5 days to convert vit D to Calcittriol), Potassium, anti inflammatory and loads of other stuff including an anti viral. Anyone going to ICU is loaded up with survivor plasma and other stuff.
Whatever, the end result is that the death rate has dropped by between 60-70% since April
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I should point out that it doesn't include the monoclonal antibodies that Trump got.
 
Del_Bosque said:
Ye I think Hancock announced they were aware of the new strains prevelance on Mon/Tues and it was off to Portondown for testing etc

Friday they confirmed it was more transmissable, Saturday t4 for London and Kent, Christmas break reduced

boxing day t4 for most of the rest of the SE

They moved quickly but it must have been knocking about for a while for cases to spike to much, Wales is a good example
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Good as in bad?
 
Watching SKN News Newspaper review peddling the Julia Hatespeech-Spewer line that hospitals aren't being overwhelmed because someone has messaged her telling her that their local hospital isn't. How these spreaders or lies are given airspace is beyond me
 
Marvin said:
Low in relative terms. I agree with this revision.
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Revision? You patronising little twit.

It appears the word 'most' confused you. Neither is it low in relative terms. A quick look at wiki suggests c510, 000 students in London (not including university teaching hospitals).
 
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johnnytapia said:
You do yourself no favours using terms like “basket cases”
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Why? I am not referring to people as in the original definition years ago which I agree was offensive.

But it is now mostly applied to locations where the numbers go out of control.

It can be used to describe people unfairly but it literally defines as a thing that is unable to cope with pressure. Or that goes into a sudden meltdown in modern etymology.

Which is what places like Wigan and Bolton and Stockport have been at various points.

The question usually is where the pressure came from.

But if it gives offence because of its older meaning then I will stop using it in reference to these places.

Though as I live in one of them it certainly is not aimed personally at people living there.
 
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Whilst I am here these are the GM Pop Score increases over the past 14 days.

To show the course of these towns in trouble. 14 DEC - 21 DEC - 28 DEC

BOLTON 150 - 148 - 155 (UP 5)

BURY 203 - 204 - 243 (UP 40)

MANCHESTER 173 - 186 - 193 (UP 20)

OLDHAM 179 - 188 - 190 (UP 11)

ROCHDALE 201 - 197 - 230 (UP 29)

SALFORD 151 - 171 - 213 (UP 62)

STOCKPORT 108 - 133 - 222 (UP 114)

TAMESIDE 87 - 126 - 190 (UP 103)

TRAFFORD 108 - 168 - 226 (UP 118)

WIGAN 174 - 155 - 187 (UP 13)



As you can see everywhere has risen but Bolton and Oldham and Wigan are coping the best right now.

And Trafford, Stockport and Tameside are the ba...dly performing boroughs right now.

But things can change fast as the above shows and so things might look very different 2 weeks from today.
 
Eds said:
I just wish all the idiots who are posting pictures on social media showing them at dinner parties with multiple households and no social distancing see this. The country is full of selfish twats who are just carrying on as normal. I know plenty of people who have had the virus, some badly, and other who have died with it. Why are people still carrying on hugging and kissing friends, having people in
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Apart from certain sections of people the concept of self sacrifice no longer applies. Individuals are more concerned about themselves and this is borne out by not adhering to the rules that they don't think should apply to them.
I could go on a grumpy old man rant about some of the examples but I think it's best if I leave it at that.
 
Healdplace said:
Whilst I am here these are the GM Pop Score increases over the past 14 days.

To show the course of these towns in trouble. 14 DEC - 21 DEC - 28 DEC

BOLTON 150 - 148 - 155 (UP 5)

BURY 203 - 204 - 243 (UP 40)

MANCHESTER 173 - 186 - 193 (UP 20)

OLDHAM 179 - 188 - 190 (UP 11)

ROCHDALE 201 - 197 - 230 (UP 29)

SALFORD 151 - 171 - 213 (UP 62)

STOCKPORT 108 - 133 - 222 (UP 114)

TAMESIDE 87 - 126 - 190 (UP 103)

TRAFFORD 108 - 168 - 226 (UP 118)

WIGAN 174 - 155 - 187 (UP 13)



As you can see everywhere has risen but Bolton and Oldham and Wigan are coping the best right now.

And Trafford, Stockport and Tameside are the ba...dly performing boroughs right now.

But things can change fast as the above shows and so things might look very different 2 weeks from today.
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Bury isn't doing that badly in terms of the number of cases compared to the other GM Councils. The problem is that our population at 180k is a lot smaller than the rest hence the large pop score.
 
Manc in London said:
Revision? You patronising little twit.

It appears the word 'most' confused you. Neither is it low in relative terms. A quick look at wiki suggests c510, 000 students in London (not including university teaching hospitals).
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For a social group to drive a population centre's dynamics they would have to make up a significant percentage of its population. Recall when wave 2 started in Sep/Oct at the same time as students started term, the headlines were made by university towns, and not London because in London students are overwhelmed by the overall population.
 
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Manc in London said:
Revision? You patronising little twit.

It appears the word 'most' confused you. Neither is it low in relative terms. A quick look at wiki suggests c510, 000 students in London (not including university teaching hospitals).
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Just For comparison Manchester has a population of 550k and 100k students.

London has a population of 9 million with 500k students.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Watching SKN News Newspaper review peddling the Julia Hatespeech-Spewer line that hospitals aren't being overwhelmed because someone has messaged her telling her that their local hospital isn't. How these spreaders or lies are given airspace is beyond me
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She's consistently a fucking idiot and her views are dangerous and just wrong in everything she says. Last night she was doing a comical Ali with no more stress than usual in the NHS and going on about the NHS not the govt wasting money building Nightingale units....

I don't know how whoever the 'balance' person on the press review never goes ballistic at her the presenter has a job to keep so probably has to behave.
 
give it to gordon said:
Seems like it might happen again. Why have they been allowed to go skiing and risk bringing it back again. I am fed up with living like a monk while others just carry on doing what they want when they want. I want my normal life back, as we all do but it seems not all of us are giving up our freedom to help fight this virus. Some are still having holidays etc, whilst others are relying on foodbanks.
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We live on plague island, I wouldn’t worry too much about it being ‘brought back’ from Switzerland.
 
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