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365 England hospital deaths more details:

Age ranges 20 - 39 (3), 40 - 59 (29) , 60 - 79 (128) 80 + (205)

Regions NE/Yorkshire 73, Midlands 69, South East 64, London 55, East 53. NW 40, SW 11.

Hospital regions with most:-

22 East Kent, 20 in North Tees, 15 Leicester. 14 Milton Keynes 10 Medway.

Most in NW 9 each in Liverpool and Pennine
 
artfuldodger said:
4 elderly members of my church have gone into hospital since August for minor things and contracted and died of Covid whilst in there. My father in law was on a ward in September where 4 patients on the ward tested positive. He was sent home saying it was safer at home. It’s shocking.
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Hospital aquired infections are nothing new , it is difficult to stop
 
Healdplace said:
According to the Telegraph just now leaks suggest much of the north and midlands will go into tier 4 this week.

To be announced tomorrow.

Why wait?

It has to be all or nothing. So it has to be all not leaving a few little islands outside waiting to be invaded by mad at being in tier 4 rule breakers.

But rumours say only two thirds of England will be in tier 4 not a full lockdown. So yet again they are putting ideology ahead of science.

Happily some scientists are trying to convince them otherwise as they foresee an NHS catastrophe without lockdown.
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Expect they need to inform the local authorities etc first
 
Cityfan said:
Not sure about most of that.
Steroids are certainly used for people on oxygen and one of the few things that have been definitely shown to work.
Heparin is something people should get anyway when they come into hospital. The optimum dose for Covid remains uncertain, but high doses probably cause more side effects than benefits.
Plasma is still being evaluated but it's use is probably pretty doubtful in icu.
Don't think many places are using Vit D. Needs a bit more evidence for therapeutic usage though it makes sense to make sure you have adequate starting levels.
The antivirals don't have much of an evidence base and are likely to be useful in the early stages though Remdesevir is still used.
Potassium isn't really a treatment for anything unless you're short of potassium.
Some of the newer biological antiinflammatories may be helping but they are still being evaluated.
Trump got his antibodies before hospital which is probably when they are useful.
Just general care may well be better plus steroids and early use of cpap.
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This information is from my Registrar daughter who now considers herself a "Covidologist" and runs the medical response on two wards in a West Midlands hospital.
- Heparin is given in larger concentrations than for normal hospital admissions. It is essential to prevent clotting in this dreadful disease.
- Calcitriol is essential as the immune system moderator. The Liver creates the hormone from Vit D. Catcitriol is given on admission and for as long as it is required. Vit D is given to get the liver to produce it itself in 5 days time. Trial? Who knows.
- Remdesevir is given as an antival. Does it help? Not as much as was initially hoped.
- The majority of those ill with Covid have Hypokalemia (Potassium deficiency). Virtually all who are seriously ill do. Only those who are deficient get it.
- Steroids - Yes the two already approved are used.
- Anti imflamitary drugs - These are given as appropriate to the patients condition. Inflamation is a key indicator as to a possible impending Cykotine storm.
- Recovery Plasma, yes they are part of the trial. It works, though not as well as originally hoped.
 
artfuldodger said:
4 elderly members of my church have gone into hospital since August for minor things and contracted and died of Covid whilst in there. My father in law was on a ward in September where 4 patients on the ward tested positive. He was sent home saying it was safer at home. It’s shocking.
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Sorry to hear that artfuldodger

hospitals scare me at the moment i have had to go in twice in the last two months, the last time under tier 4 i didnt want to go in but it was a case of not being checked out and risk having an illness or risk being checked so i went in. My missus is in later today for a chest xray, nervous times.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The uk regulator is genuinely independent of govt, so they won't give a toss about Boris' timing.

Soriot was interviewed the other day; he'd know if there were concerns (the company gets formal questions from the regulator as part of the process) and would not have been so bullish if significant challenges are coming back.

Interestingly, the EMA said they lacked quality information. That means data on the manufacturing process, site(s), analytical techniques etc. First time that's been raised anywhere on this, so a bit odd.
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Something you would have more idea than me on but given the EU haven’t ordered the Oxford vaccine would they be prioritising markets that have ordered some.
 
mackenzie said:
Effective communication is something a lot of organisations are bad at.
I once had a rant at a nurse at a hospital I was visiting for an appointment. Not something I normally do, but I was stressed to the limit by anticipation of possible bad news. She spotted me going further down a corridor than I should have, whilst searching for the unit I'd been directed to. She spoke to me as if I was a naughty child and I just blew.
"Get a bloody sign up then...how the hell was I suppose to know??"
To be fair she looked apologetic and it wasn't her fault (although she shouldn't have acted like a headteacher either), but good communication is priceless and prevents tons of frustration and anger from those using the service.
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In my experience communication is something the NHS needs to improve on along with several issues. It's not all angels and saints.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Epidemiologist's view: need to act now, and not just for uk (not sure I really agree with the latter TBH)

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I've read through it all but unsure I understand it fully, I again put that down to me being a bit simple about all of this. Is she suggesting that between now and enough of the country being vaccinated things could be catastrophic due to the rate of transmission or suggesting that even with the vaccination it now it looks like being catastrophic for a hell of a lot longer?
 
EqWSefJWMAMgj4o

Is that Liverpool higher than Manchester and rising over proportionally?
 
trumpton said:
We'll, the inevitable has happened.

My mother was admitted to hospital a week ago with heart failure and chest infection. Today, following her third and final covid test she has now tested positive.

I'm absolutely gutted. I've shielded her since March and she's now contracted the bloody thing in the place that's meant to make her better.

This is not a rant at the NHS, merely a rant at the bloody virus.
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Sorry to hear. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
 
Scotland data:

7 deaths

1895 cases

Cases by date over Christmas:-

24 Dec (999), 25 Dec (517), 26 Dec (1039), 27 Dec (1593), 28 Dec (626)

14,4% positivity.

So as you see a lot of the data reported today is carry over from earlier in the Christmas weekend.

Hospital data Patients 1092 (up from 1008 Christmas Eve)

Ventilator ICU 65 (up from 56 on Christmas Eve )
 
cookster said:
EqWSefJWMAMgj4o

Is that Liverpool higher than Manchester and rising over proportionally?
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I have been posting the data on this for the past 2 weeks as it became apparent in my nightly reports and written a few times on this - including an update this morning if you look back.

Short answer is yes - and has been for nearly 2 weeks now virtually every day. And in the days beyond the 6 day old numbers used to create the above it has been the same.

Of course, hospital data and age dynamics are other factors used to determine tiers. But Liverpool hospitals have had a lot of the recent NW deaths too.

Wirral has started rising too.

Oh and Manchester's weekly pop has fallen since that 203. It was 193 last night. Though Stockport has gone the other way from that 201 to 222 last night.
 
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artfuldodger said:
4 elderly members of my church have gone into hospital since August for minor things and contracted and died of Covid whilst in there. My father in law was on a ward in September where 4 patients on the ward tested positive. He was sent home saying it was safer at home. It’s shocking.
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just came out of hosptal,they operated on broken leg and i was home 7 hours later with a cast on,safer at home is the docs advice
 
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