Covid: Personal views

[jazzy]

I took pills on a daily basis when I was in Belize because we were advised to do so... Only when I was waiting for the flight home did I get handed leaflets about the diseases I could potentially have been exposed to

Will I take the vaccine with SWMBO (who's vulnerable) which has the 90% protection rate... Fuck yeah!!

Yes remember getting the plastic card to carry for 6 months afterwards

 

[Sir peace frog]

Grandson had his injections and was dead 18 hours later. The wife fed him and he nodded off and then we took him home. We left him in his pram so as not to disturb him and the daughter tried to wake him up but non of us could. So like you Mr Blue we too remain cautious and I do not think it's a lot to ask to see how a certain batch performs before becoming willing participants. There is also the dilemma of there being many different vaccines released over the next few months, so which if any will produce the best results and more importantly perform safer with little to no side effect. It's a dilemma for sure and maybe those on the front line or suffering underlying health issues would be best to dip toes early, but that choice remains there own. Risk reward strategy is one thing, unless of course you draw the short straw in the game of life, so it's not simply a case of people behaving irresponsibly, but more evaluating a given situation before wishing to proceed. As a general consensus vaccination is as safe as it can be but there will be casualties.

oh my lord, how sad

xx

 

[mosssideblue]

Grandson had his injections and was dead 18 hours later. The wife fed him and he nodded off and then we took him home. We left him in his pram so as not to disturb him and the daughter tried to wake him up but non of us could. So like you Mr Blue we too remain cautious and I do not think it's a lot to ask to see how a certain batch performs before becoming willing participants. There is also the dilemma of there being many different vaccines released over the next few months, so which if any will produce the best results and more importantly perform safer with little to no side effect. It's a dilemma for sure and maybe those on the front line or suffering underlying health issues would be best to dip toes early, but that choice remains there own. Risk reward strategy is one thing, unless of course you draw the short straw in the game of life, so it's not simply a case of people behaving irresponsibly, but more evaluating a given situation before wishing to proceed. As a general consensus vaccination is as safe as it can be but there will be casualties.

So sorry for your loss bud. Doing what was thought the right thing had severe repercussions for our families, and no doubt many more.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

So sorry for your loss bud. Doing what was thought the right thing had severe repercussions for our families, and no doubt many more.

And yourself Mr Blue.

 

[Quad]

Grandson had his injections and was dead 18 hours later. The wife fed him and he nodded off and then we took him home. We left him in his pram so as not to disturb him and the daughter tried to wake him up but non of us could. So like you Mr Blue we too remain cautious and I do not think it's a lot to ask to see how a certain batch performs before becoming willing participants. There is also the dilemma of there being many different vaccines released over the next few months, so which if any will produce the best results and more importantly perform safer with little to no side effect. It's a dilemma for sure and maybe those on the front line or suffering underlying health issues would be best to dip toes early, but that choice remains there own. Risk reward strategy is one thing, unless of course you draw the short straw in the game of life, so it's not simply a case of people behaving irresponsibly, but more evaluating a given situation before wishing to proceed. As a general consensus vaccination is as safe as it can be but there will be casualties.

So sorry to hear

I have a 2 year old and always thought vaccines were safe till I read this

 

[mosssideblue]

And yourself Mr Blue.

Thanks

 

[Two Gun Bob]

So sorry to hear

I have a 2 year old and always thought vaccines were safe till I read this

Numerically yes and incredibly difficult to argue against, but sadly there will be times where not everyone makes it home. I think the government try to draw analogy that babies receive multiple vaccines when they are between 2 to 4 months old so try to correlate this with the peak age for sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). The lad was healthy and then had his jabs then died, so obviously we draw our own conclusion. Probably leave it there so as not to swerve off tangent.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Grandson had his injections and was dead 18 hours later. The wife fed him and he nodded off and then we took him home. We left him in his pram so as not to disturb him and the daughter tried to wake him up but non of us could. So like you Mr Blue we too remain cautious and I do not think it's a lot to ask to see how a certain batch performs before becoming willing participants. There is also the dilemma of there being many different vaccines released over the next few months, so which if any will produce the best results and more importantly perform safer with little to no side effect. It's a dilemma for sure and maybe those on the front line or suffering underlying health issues would be best to dip toes early, but that choice remains there own. Risk reward strategy is one thing, unless of course you draw the short straw in the game of life, so it's not simply a case of people behaving irresponsibly, but more evaluating a given situation before wishing to proceed. As a general consensus vaccination is as safe as it can be but there will be casualties.

Respect.
That must have hurt posting that.
It hammers home that low risk matters for nought if you are the exception.

 

[M18CTID]

Losing a brother to reacting badly to a what was considered a safe vaccine has meant I have had to ensure things were safe for me and my children growing up. My kids never had that same vaccine that took my brother at 18 months of age.
So, I will want greater assurances than most, as will my children and their kids.

If that makes me an idiot by some on here, so be it.

I can identify fully with this. I’ve no time for the anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists but your experience is totally different and anyone in that situation having reservations (and those struggling mentally with having a vaccine) should never be ridiculed. My elder brother had the whooping cough vaccine in 1963 and it left him severely disabled - both mentally and physically - for the rest of his life to the extent that he needed round the clock care 24/7. He passed away in 1991 a month after his 28th birthday. My sister and didn’t have that vaccine because of this. We were also advised that if we ever had kids, it would be best if they didn’t have it either. As it happens, neither of us did have children. Times have obviously moved on since then and I’ve no major issues with the modern-day vaccines as the chances of something going wrong are very small but I will want to see a bit more detail about this one before taking it.

 

[mosssideblue]

I can identify fully with this. I’ve no time for the anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorists but your experience is totally different and anyone in that situation having reservations (and those struggling mentally with having a vaccine) should never be ridiculed. My elder brother had the whooping cough vaccine in 1963 and it left him severely disabled - both mentally and physically - for the rest of his life to the extent that he needed round the clock care 24/7. He passed away in 1991 a month after his 28th birthday. My sister and I were advised that if we ever had kids, it would be best if they didn’t have the whooping cough vaccine. As it happens, neither of us did have children. Times have obviously moved on since then and I’ve no major issues with the modern-day vaccines but I will want to see a bit more detail about this one before taking it.

Thanks mate. It was the whooping cough vaccine that took my brother - he was just 18 months of age.

I agree things have moved on but some scars never heal and caution in our family has been the norm with vaccines in our family for decades and will continue to be.

As I posted earlier today, I will take the vaccine once I have squared it off in my head it is safe to do so.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

Respect.
That must have hurt posting that.
It hammers home that low risk matters for nought if you are the exception.

It did indeed, but with Mr Blue recanting his story I thought it right to follow suit and explain my own motive. It's always difficult to talk, even though we have a wonderful thread from Bill allowing folk to open on up. I noticed Mr Blue had family problems with mental health and so that also struck a resonance. The mind is a finely balanced machine that can be ever so slightly tipped in the wrong direction and after the grandson passed away our lad died too. That of course without even realizing, sent us into dark recesses that can be a difficult process to climb back out from, but they say time is a healer. Looking back I would probably say that on a personal level I wasn't firing right. Anyway thank you for your your empathy Denis and so very true if you happen to become the exception. Nothing more to add about the vaccine except to say we really have to get on the right side of this Covidial menace and put it to bed once and for all. I hope every thing goes well with the immunization program in December and like many will be monitoring the situation closely.

 

[M18CTID]

Thanks mate. It was the whooping cough vaccine that took my brother - he was just 18 months of age.

I agree things have moved on but some scars never heal and caution in our family has been the norm with vaccines in our family for decades and will continue to be.

As I posted earlier today, I will take the vaccine once I have squared it off in my head it is safe to do so.

No probs mate, and there’s nothing wrong with taking a cautious approach. Despite any reservations of my own, I was very optimistic when I heard the Pfizer news yesterday.

 

[mackenzie]

There's a message in these last few pages; never judge anyone until you have walked in their shoes.
Really heartbreaking stories but also ones of immense courage. Xx

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Thanks mate. It was the whooping cough vaccine that took my brother - he was just 18 months of age.

I agree things have moved on but some scars never heal and caution in our family has been the norm with vaccines in our family for decades and will continue to be.

As I posted earlier today, I will take the vaccine once I have squared it off in my head it is safe to do so.

I’m sorry to hear that mate and I understand you feeling cautious. Sorry to have sounded blunt. Just do your research properly when the time comes, fair enough?

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Losing a brother to reacting badly to a what was considered a safe vaccine has meant I have had to ensure things were safe for me and my children growing up. My kids never had that same vaccine that took my brother at 18 months of age.
So, I will want greater assurances than most, as will my children and their kids.

If that makes me an idiot by some on here, so be it.

Very sorry to hear of your loss.

You prompted me to learn more about the vaccine for whooping cough.

I can't find any reference to fatalities ascribed to it at all.

Is this the vaccine? Can you point me in the right direction?

Pertussis vaccine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

(I've no interest in disputing or debating the issue, purely would like to learn, and please feel free to ignore if it's too painful)

 

[roubaixtuesday]

I have volunteered to take part in the trial , going for the pre medical on 24th , will update once I am part of it

Good man.

Do you know which vaccine? Novavax??

 

[jazzy]

Good man.

Do you know which vaccine? Novavax??

No blind trial may get vaccine or a placebo

 

[mosssideblue]

I’m sorry to hear that mate and I understand you feeling cautious. Sorry to have sounded blunt. Just do your research properly when the time comes, fair enough?

Fair enough and thanks.

 

[mosssideblue]

Very sorry to hear of your loss.

You prompted me to learn more about the vaccine for whooping cough.

I can't find any reference to fatalities ascribed to it at all.

Is this the vaccine? Can you point me in the right direction?

Pertussis vaccine - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

(I've no interest in disputing or debating the issue, purely would like to learn, and please feel free to ignore if it's too painful)

I'm sorry, I don't know which whooping cough vaccine it was. As you could imagine Mum and Dad blamed themselves and really did not like discussing it with us when we got old enough to understand. Needless to say, me and my other brothers were not vaccinated against it, nor were my kids.

 

[KS55]

When my daughter was ready for her first injections, my mother in law, who worked as a hospital matron, gave me a phone number and some advice. The advice was: Kate has red hair and has some dermatological problems, the measles jab is contra indicated. The phone number was a guy who was prominent in the development of mmr. At the time, it was 3 separate injections.
I rang the number, told the guy about Kate and asked: if she were your daughter would you give her the measles jab? No, he replied.
I am not antivax in any way but this episode made me think that some info is kept back in the interests of creating herd immunity.
(Red hair is genetically based and general anaesthetic doses are modified for red haired ppl.)