Blue2112
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dref619 said:
I would agree but he's not what anyone would consider an A class signing on paper. Like has been said his reception today should say everything the owners needed to know.
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Craig Bellamy
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I would agree but he's not what anyone would consider an A class signing on paper. Like has been said his reception today should say everything the owners needed to know.
yeah yeah i get what u mean, cause hes a mouthy twat, and at 14 mill wwas an absolute bargainBlue2112 said:dref619 said:tin hats on, but when craig bellamy is in full flow i would argue he is WORLD class,
I would agree but he's not what anyone would consider an A class signing on paper. Like has been said his reception today should say everything the owners needed to know.
bizzbo
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Blue2112 said:bizzbo said:it supposes that the board would be interested in selling the fans favourite.... can anyone come up with a serious reason why they would do that?
Many successful buisness men do quite the opposite to what made them successful when they buy a football club. I suppose its the opportunity to play at management. Could any of us buy a football club and then sit by and never ever interfere. Not saying thats the case here all I'm trying to do is fathom out what the OP is suggesting and if they can replace him with a world superstar then who knows.
it happens, we know that. but they've never gone against the fans wishes before, except, hughes still had quite a lot of support. they knew that. I can't think that they'd interfere with the new guy's squad, and jeopardise the goodwill they have with the fans just for kicks... for one thing Bellamy is far more popular than Hughes ever was... it's not been their style to make unpopular decisions...I believe (more or less) that popular sentiment amongst the fans more or less persuaded them to stick with Hughes this time last year, I believe they were instrumental in bringing SWP to the club because they knew it would be popular, I believe that they probably take the fan's views into account as a matter of course on transfer dealings (petrov/bentley swap not going through always felt like it was the board saying no to hughes)... so this would be a massive about face, and... why? bellamy actually gets quite good press now... his injuries are the only reason I can think of, and that's not enough of a reason....unless the tale that's being told is that someone got pissed off by his actions in the aftermath of hughes' sacking, pissed off enough to sell him against the wishes of the fans who are essential to keeping them in their job.
it just doesn't add up to me, not for a second.
Blue2112
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The crowds reaction to Bellamy hopefully would have been heard in Dubai but as Mancini himself has already stated he is happy to let the board buy the players and he will coach them as this is the Italian way, althoug I'm sure he will have a say of course. Now if Bellamy was replaced with Ribery for instance then yes I'm sure some fans would make some noises but it would soon disappear within a week or two. Personally I hope Bellamy sticks around for a few more years yet, this team should achieve success and a squad of players desperate to be a part is what is needed here.
SalfordCityBlue
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bizzbo said:it happens, we know that. but they've never gone against the fans wishes before, except, hughes still had quite a lot of support. they knew that. I can't think that they'd interfere with the new guy's squad, and jeopardise the goodwill they have with the fans just for kicks... for one thing Bellamy is far more popular than Hughes ever was... it's not been their style to make unpopular decisions...I believe (more or less) that popular sentiment amongst the fans more or less persuaded them to stick with Hughes this time last year, I believe they were instrumental in bringing SWP to the club because they knew it would be popular, I believe that they probably take the fan's views into account as a matter of course on transfer dealings (petrov/bentley swap not going through always felt like it was the board saying no to hughes)... so this would be a massive about face, and... why? bellamy actually gets quite good press now... his injuries are the only reason I can think of, and that's not enough of a reason....unless the tale that's being told is that someone got pissed off by his actions in the aftermath of hughes' sacking, pissed off enough to sell him against the wishes of the fans who are essential to keeping them in their job.
it just doesn't add up to me, not for a second.
Agree with that, with the caveat that if it turns out Bellamy is disrupting the dressing room because he is sulking over Hughes then I won't shed a single tear if he goes, no matter who sells him!
I would hope his popularity amongst the fans would plummet under those circumstances, but who knows these days? Used to be we all had the good of the club at heart, but I'm not so sure anymore...
So Robbie's a goner then...Yawn...Next question...YawnGDB said:His absence from the starting eleven had nothing to do with off field issues...
Don't know if it's been covered on TV or radio or owt but that's staright from the mouths in the know as they say....
In contention for Monday, don't know if RM fancies him but did himslef no harm IMO. Will certainly feature in Manc's long term plans if the pieces are brought to the table from MR GC and Mr M. We wait with baited and hopeful breath...
avoidconfusion
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Blue2112 said:but as Mancini himself has already stated he is happy to let the board buy the players and he will coach them as this is the Italian way, althoug I'm sure he will have a say of course.
Actually, all he said is that he will consult with the board which players will be bought, which sounds normal to me. He will still tell them which ones he wants and then they give their okay. I very much doubt that he meant that he will let the board just buy the players they want.
bizzbo
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avoidconfusion said:Blue2112 said:but as Mancini himself has already stated he is happy to let the board buy the players and he will coach them as this is the Italian way, althoug I'm sure he will have a say of course.
Actually, all he said is that he will consult with the board which players will be bought, which sounds normal to me. He will still tell them which ones he wants and then they give their okay. I very much doubt that he meant that he will let the board just buy the players they want.
to be fair transfer policy is always a matter of consensus between the board and the management team. we tend to have an idea in this country that the manager should be the one and only authority on players, but it's a bit silly IMO. people hold up Daniel Comolli at Spurs as proof that the 'Director of Football' who is in charge of buying and selling is an idea that can never work in this country, but I tend to think he was just buying the wrong players, and selling the wrong ones, at the wrong time. even without a single director of football controlling all player matters, the board will still take an extremely close interest in comings and goings, and of course they have the final say-so..... harry redknapp wanted James but his board said 'no thirty-somethings'...... benitez and his board have clashed several times... the press tend to report this as 'interferance' but the board have a responsibility to look after the interests of the club, and this can mean going against a managers wishes and saying no. just as bloody well, because there's no guarantee that managers are thinking beyond the end of their time at the club (which could easily be less than a couple of seasons).
on the selling side, would you disagree if the board made a policy of not selling joe hart or micah richards? a fan favourite like bellamy might be a similair story. the idea is to reach a balance between the wider interests of the club, and the needs of the manager, in terms of the players he needs on the pitch and the harmony in the dressing room. ADUG went a bit beyond the norm by buying robinho without MH's knowledge (apparently) but again I don't think that it's that unusual for boards to effectively buy players they think are good for the club. MH went on record several times this season to say he thought Robinho would stay, and never once (until last weekend) implied that he didn't want to work with him. without any solid evidence, the rest was just speculation.
the board has to be careful not to undermine the manager's authority, but good managers tend to make it work.... Mourinho managed pretty well despite some severe interference from upstairs.... Mancini was hard on some of the Chairman's favourites in his time at Inter (Recoba et al), but I'm sure he was delighted with some of the other players there that weren't his choice. sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. if the manager's authority over his players rests solely on his ability to buy and sell, then something is amiss, IMO.
Freestyler
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The reception Bellers got warming up and coming on for Robbie was unreal, he won't be going anywhere.
If you need a manager to hold your hand it's just shocking, obviously he prefers Hughes but he's gone, so he should move on like the rest of us and not go on about it, he will start at Wolves monday and he might bag one or two and all will be forgotten.
If you need a manager to hold your hand it's just shocking, obviously he prefers Hughes but he's gone, so he should move on like the rest of us and not go on about it, he will start at Wolves monday and he might bag one or two and all will be forgotten.