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Effectively 46-4, but things are not going Englands way at the moment.
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balotellishaircut
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You were right, i couldn’t see NZ making 500 but they are 430/5 as I post, at this rate England will have to chase down close to 300.
EastMidlandsBlue
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I know nobody expected new zealand to end up 450/5, but this was completely unnecessary and could've been avoided.
I don't have a problem with bazball and trying to play more attacking, but enforcing the follow on with 2 and a half days still to go was so unbelievably unnecessary. For a game we only need to draw as well.
Equivalent to being 4-0 up and subbing on a load of strikers to try and score even more, but you end up losing 5-4 due to having no defence.
I don't have a problem with bazball and trying to play more attacking, but enforcing the follow on with 2 and a half days still to go was so unbelievably unnecessary. For a game we only need to draw as well.
Equivalent to being 4-0 up and subbing on a load of strikers to try and score even more, but you end up losing 5-4 due to having no defence.
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And if we don't lose? Which I doubt we will . Like you said nobody expected NZ to bat so well in this innings, the follow on eliminated the chance of declaring too late
EastMidlandsBlue
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Funny how things change in an hour, cleaned that up pretty quickly.
Even if we don't lose, it was an unnecessary risk to take. Obviously I'd rather win, but I don't think this was the game to risk losing in order to win.
If we were behind or drawing in the series, then absolutely take the risk. But with a 1-0 lead in the series there's no need to do it.
unicorn
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England playing to win every game now, not interested in the safe options, thrilling to watch.
Weather wise New Zealand have had the best days, tomorrow going to be bits of rain and cloudy! Stokes won’t be making a team follow on again and feel it was wise stokes looked frustrated quite a bit just because he realised he made mistake putting them back in, I found it unnecessary maybe arrogant? If he did his research on that pitch the 3rd day is the best day to bat! Too! Maybe he thought it was going to rain all day on the fifth day and the bazball is to go for the win! I expect us to just win it, but feel it be a nail biter!
That forecast didn’t last long!
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No it didn’t, shows how much I know about cricket :)
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I just find it hard to criticize the mindset of The test team right now . They go into it with the attitude that sometimes it won't work but we back ourselves to win everytime . I also didn't see it as a risk compared with half of the things this team is doing lol
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NZ seem to have a habit of a much better 2nd innings in Wellington. I guess Stokes was concerned at setting a target, knowing it gets easier rather than harder to bat on generally and not knowing how much of a total was required against how much time we'd have to bowl them out again.
We've managed to limit the chase to 258 rather than 300+ which makes it a lot more achievable with Root back in form. And there are more than enough overs, weather depending to get them. I think, on balance it was the right decision. This England team would back themselves to chase 258. 210 to get with 9 wickets remaining. Hopefully Robinson can attack and score a quick fire 30 whilst taking the shine off the new ball to get us down to 150 or so.
It's good to see a team want to win every test match, and if we lose this one it will be a big lesson learnt for the big series to come in the summer.
We've managed to limit the chase to 258 rather than 300+ which makes it a lot more achievable with Root back in form. And there are more than enough overs, weather depending to get them. I think, on balance it was the right decision. This England team would back themselves to chase 258. 210 to get with 9 wickets remaining. Hopefully Robinson can attack and score a quick fire 30 whilst taking the shine off the new ball to get us down to 150 or so.
It's good to see a team want to win every test match, and if we lose this one it will be a big lesson learnt for the big series to come in the summer.
EastMidlandsBlue
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Yeah it obviously didn't feel like a risk at the time, but I think it was naive to think that NZ would rollover in the way West Indies or SL would.
I also don't wanna criticise the mindset right now, but I'd argue it would've also been the "positive option" to smash 300 in 50 overs and give NZ 2 days to chase 550. No one would've viewed that as negative or anti-bazball
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Have to agree with this - it's just as attacking to not enforce the follow-on and twat the ball all over the park, setting a nigh on impossible total to win the game. The great Australian sides of the 1990s and 2000s did this a lot and they were viewed as a team that played attacking cricket. Personally, I'd have liked us to get a lead of nearer 300 if we wanted them to bat again because like it or not, NZ are still a good team. And while I know it doesn't happen often - only 3 times ever in test cricket - I don't like the idea of us being added to this unenviable list:
Test matches | Team records | Victory after a follow on | ESPNcricinfo
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| Winner | Margin | Opposition | Ground | Match Date | Scorecard |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| England | 10 runs | v Australia | Sydney | 14 Dec 1894 | Test # 42 |
| England | 18 runs | v Australia | Leeds | 16 Jul 1981 | Test # 905 |
| India | 171 runs | v Australia | Eden Gardens | 11 Mar 2001 | Test # 1535 |
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100% NZ are a still a good team , and I don't feel that they enforced the follow on believing that 100% they would fold again whilst knowing there was always a chance they would,. Just that they will be able to chase whatever is set and know how many overs they have todo so , rather than wondering when to declare . And its worked out fineHave to agree with this - it's just as attacking to not enforce the follow-on and twat the ball all over the park, setting a nigh on impossible total to win the game. The great Australian sides of the 1990s and 2000s did this a lot and they were viewed as a team that played attacking cricket. Personally, I'd have liked us to get a lead of nearer 300 if we wanted them to bat again because like it or not, NZ are still a good team. And while I know it doesn't happen often - only 3 times ever in test cricket - I don't like the idea of us being added to this unenviable list:
Test matches | Team records | Victory after a follow on | ESPNcricinfo
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Winner Margin Opposition Ground Match Date Scorecard England 10 runs v Australia Sydney 14 Dec 1894 Test # 42 England 18 runs v Australia Leeds 16 Jul 1981 Test # 905 India 171 runs v Australia Eden Gardens 11 Mar 2001 Test # 1535
M18CTID
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Yeah, I agree with a lot of that but it's not worked out fine until such a time as we have won the match!
jimharri
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Agreed. I would find it hard to take issue with them going out for a win, rather than hoping to avoid defeat.
If we're one up going into the final test in the Ashes this summer, I might have a slightly different opinion, mind!
Lovebitesandeveryfing
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I'll say it. In the last year or so, England have done more to make test cricket enthralling than any other nation on earth. The risks they're taking are well worth that.
melrose40yarder
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Good job Root and Silverwood are not still in charge we would still be batting.
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We'd be home by now having lost the series 2-0!
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