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Funny how things change in an hour, cleaned that up pretty quickly.

Even if we don't lose, it was an unnecessary risk to take. Obviously I'd rather win, but I don't think this was the game to risk losing in order to win.

If we were behind or drawing in the series, then absolutely take the risk. But with a 1-0 lead in the series there's no need to do it.
I just find it hard to criticize the mindset of The test team right now . They go into it with the attitude that sometimes it won't work but we back ourselves to win everytime . I also didn't see it as a risk compared with half of the things this team is doing lol
 
NZ seem to have a habit of a much better 2nd innings in Wellington. I guess Stokes was concerned at setting a target, knowing it gets easier rather than harder to bat on generally and not knowing how much of a total was required against how much time we'd have to bowl them out again.

We've managed to limit the chase to 258 rather than 300+ which makes it a lot more achievable with Root back in form. And there are more than enough overs, weather depending to get them. I think, on balance it was the right decision. This England team would back themselves to chase 258. 210 to get with 9 wickets remaining. Hopefully Robinson can attack and score a quick fire 30 whilst taking the shine off the new ball to get us down to 150 or so.

It's good to see a team want to win every test match, and if we lose this one it will be a big lesson learnt for the big series to come in the summer.
 
I just find it hard to criticize the mindset of The test team right now . They go into it with the attitude that sometimes it won't work but we back ourselves to win everytime . I also didn't see it as a risk compared with half of the things this team is doing lol
Yeah it obviously didn't feel like a risk at the time, but I think it was naive to think that NZ would rollover in the way West Indies or SL would.

I also don't wanna criticise the mindset right now, but I'd argue it would've also been the "positive option" to smash 300 in 50 overs and give NZ 2 days to chase 550. No one would've viewed that as negative or anti-bazball
 
Yeah it obviously didn't feel like a risk at the time, but I think it was naive to think that NZ would rollover in the way West Indies or SL would.

I also don't wanna criticise the mindset right now, but I'd argue it would've also been the "positive option" to smash 300 in 50 overs and give NZ 2 days to chase 550. No one would've viewed that as negative or anti-bazball
Have to agree with this - it's just as attacking to not enforce the follow-on and twat the ball all over the park, setting a nigh on impossible total to win the game. The great Australian sides of the 1990s and 2000s did this a lot and they were viewed as a team that played attacking cricket. Personally, I'd have liked us to get a lead of nearer 300 if we wanted them to bat again because like it or not, NZ are still a good team. And while I know it doesn't happen often - only 3 times ever in test cricket - I don't like the idea of us being added to this unenviable list:


WinnerMarginOppositionGroundMatch DateScorecard
England10 runsv AustraliaSydney14 Dec 1894Test # 42
England18 runsv AustraliaLeeds16 Jul 1981Test # 905
India171 runsv AustraliaEden Gardens11 Mar 2001Test # 1535
 
Have to agree with this - it's just as attacking to not enforce the follow-on and twat the ball all over the park, setting a nigh on impossible total to win the game. The great Australian sides of the 1990s and 2000s did this a lot and they were viewed as a team that played attacking cricket. Personally, I'd have liked us to get a lead of nearer 300 if we wanted them to bat again because like it or not, NZ are still a good team. And while I know it doesn't happen often - only 3 times ever in test cricket - I don't like the idea of us being added to this unenviable list:


WinnerMarginOppositionGroundMatch DateScorecard
England10 runsv AustraliaSydney14 Dec 1894Test # 42
England18 runsv AustraliaLeeds16 Jul 1981Test # 905
India171 runsv AustraliaEden Gardens11 Mar 2001Test # 1535
100% NZ are a still a good team , and I don't feel that they enforced the follow on believing that 100% they would fold again whilst knowing there was always a chance they would,. Just that they will be able to chase whatever is set and know how many overs they have todo so , rather than wondering when to declare . And its worked out fine
 
100% NZ are a still a good team , and I don't feel that they enforced the follow on believing that 100% they would fold again whilst knowing there was always a chance they would,. Just that they will be able to chase whatever is set and know how many overs they have todo so , rather than wondering when to declare . And its worked out fine
Yeah, I agree with a lot of that but it's not worked out fine until such a time as we have won the match!
 
I just find it hard to criticize the mindset of The test team right now . They go into it with the attitude that sometimes it won't work but we back ourselves to win everytime . I also didn't see it as a risk compared with half of the things this team is doing lol
Agreed. I would find it hard to take issue with them going out for a win, rather than hoping to avoid defeat.


If we're one up going into the final test in the Ashes this summer, I might have a slightly different opinion, mind!
 
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