******Cricket Thread******

[ancoats]

Barring a run chase in the fourth innings, with overs running out, I find it hard to understand run outs in test cricket. Generally, time isn't an issue. Yes, you'll occasionally get outstanding ground fielding that the batsman hasn't expected. But most run outs are usually the batsman taking on the arm of the fielder. Why take the chance?

batsman being run-out is sloppy cricket, also poor technique in batting means you don't fancy facing the bowler, so you are wanting to be at the other

 

[ancoats]

Im A better captain than Root.My batting on the other hand is not up to standard.

some players are made for it, some have to work on it, and then you have Joe Root the yes man
Joe Root is too nice a person to be captain, that's why the players loved him, you have to be ruthless in everything, demand perfection in everything, win at all cost never take losing an option

 

[ancoats]

Let's blitz Australia with #baz ball from the 1st test, we will have the ashes won in no time.

England are still not ready for the ashes, we have 6 months to work on the bowling and batting line-ups,
at the moment, does Jimmy Anderson and Broad play or is it Robinson and Wood for the new ball,
it's the 2nd biggest call, who takes the NEW BALL in the morning after the toss, in England you bowl first if you win the toss. Jimmy is also the KING of Swing

Also, big questions on Archer if he is 100% fit, he's back in the nets and hoping to play in the early tour in 2023

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

You said "loose canon". A canon is a clergyman in some religions. There was no offence intended on my part, hence the winky thing at the bottom of my post.

Didn't even think of taking offence.
Thou are too subtile for me. “Canon”… “Judas Priest”. Fuck me but you must have a twisted mind to think that stuff up! Bet you like doing crosswords, eh?
And on the thread “If you were a mod…” there are people who would attach electrodes to the genitals of the punsters on here. Just as well they'll never be mods.

 

[jimharri]

Didn't even think of taking offence.
Thou are too subtile for me. “Canon”… “Judas Priest”. Fuck me but you must have a twisted mind to think that stuff up! Bet you like doing crosswords, eh?
And on the thread “If you were a mod…” there are people who would attach electrodes to the genitals of the punsters on here. Just as well they'll never be mods.

More sudoku than crosswords. And wordle. As for me having a twisted mind; of course!

 

[Postman Pep]

Stokes has balls and does things his way and not by the book
I've never questioned root's ability as a cricketer, just being captain,

you have to stand up for yourself and make changes and not listen to somebody else, single bloody mindset

Stokes is indisputably the better, and more innovative captain but if any of them had a single bloody mindset and refused to listen to others (beside Silverwood) I'd argue that is Root. Stokes on the other hand has been credited with actively seeking feedback from the whole team, a throwback to the Vaughan era when he said he wanted 11 captains in the field.

For example in the first test the close in fielders were given freedom to adjust their positions slightly based on their own instinct as to where they thought the ball might go rather than be micromanaged. Another claim I heard kind of blew my mind. Apparently the idea to go short with the new ball in the 2nd innings and not bother trying even a few overs of traditional line and length came from none other than Joe fucking Root!

 

[Postman Pep]

batsman being run-out is sloppy cricket, also poor technique in batting means you don't fancy facing the bowler, so you are wanting to be at the other

Mostly yes but disagree with your 2nd point. Rotating the strike, keeping the score ticking and moving the field around are all valid reasons for getting off strike. Bowlers love nothing more than pinning a batsman down at one end. Most run outs occur during to a lack of communication.

 

[ancoats]

Mostly yes but disagree with your 2nd point. Rotating the strike, keeping the score ticking and moving the field around are all valid reasons for getting off strike. Bowlers love nothing more than pinning a batsman down at one end. Most run outs occur during to a lack of communication.

you can keep the scoreboard moving by not taking a risky run, normally a risky one it taken by not scoring or if you're on 99, or you're batting with the tail.

 

[ancoats]

Stokes is indisputably the better, and more innovative captain but if any of them had a single bloody mindset and refused to listen to others (beside Silverwood) I'd argue that is Root. Stokes on the other hand has been credited with actively seeking feedback from the whole team, a throwback to the Vaughan era when he said he wanted 11 captains in the field.

For example in the first test the close in fielders were given freedom to adjust their positions slightly based on their own instinct as to where they thought the ball might go rather than be micromanaged. Another claim I heard kind of blew my mind. Apparently the idea to go short with the new ball in the 2nd innings and not bother trying even a few overs of traditional line and length came from none other than Joe fucking Root!

all very good points and valid views, matey.
the main points are everybody is England best captains sat on our armchairs and would do this or that.

but results speaks volumes and winning is key, under Joe Root as captain he had a very bad run of results, I think it may have been 1 win in 17 test, so you can not keep being captain on them bases alone.

 

[Postman Pep]

you can keep the scoreboard moving by not taking a risky run, normally a risky one it taken by not scoring or if you're on 99, or you're batting with the tail.

Wasn't talking about 'risky singles' and why they happen. Run outs aren't always down to panic and batsmen desperate to get off strike as you suggested. Aside from exceptional pieces of fielding they are almost always down to bad communication. Sometimes the no call doesn't come soon enough and on others the run is there to be taken but both don't commit.
The point is looking for quick singles is a big part of playing positively so run outs are inevitable I'm afraid.

all very good points and valid views, matey.
the main points are everybody is England best captains sat on our armchairs and would do this or that.

but results speaks volumes and winning is key, under Joe Root as captain he had a very bad run of results, I think it may have been 1 win in 17 test, so you can not keep being captain on them bases alone.

Again you have missed the point. Nobody is defending Roots record as captain, I mean how can you?

You said the reason for Stokes success is because he is single minded and doesn't listen to anybody else. People on the ground, not me, are suggesting the opposite is true and that he actively encourages input from everybody around him and that is a big part of what makes him such a good captain.

The reason for the Root anecdote was to show how this approach appears to have shaken him out of his conservative shell and got him thinking outside the box.