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Isn't there a perception these days that close no balls (like Woakes') aren't called, unless there's a wicket from it? Though, to contradict myself, I seem to recall Gabriel being called a couple of times on friday. But his weren't even close. He was nearly six inches over the front line. And, apparently, he does seem to have an issue with overstepping. So maybe umpires will be watching him closer than they would Woakes, who hardly ever bowls no-balls.
That’s likely true yeah, it is tough for the umpires to keep an eye on and then pick up a 85 mile an hour delivery immediately after.

It’s why technology works in cricket.

At village level they just don’t bother unless it’s really really obvious.
 
the weather is out of anybody hands its manchester

but the captain of england root is simply a fool and does not have a clue at being captain ? again am pulling my hair at the lack ideas and field he sets, you have to get on the bowlers back at the way they are bowling at the tail ? but not having catches in a round the bat when you see Dowrich not having a clue and turning his head away at the ball at knee height how has he got to 10 runs ? i can tall you why root

the west indies are there for the taking and we are still giving daft runs away and setting fields that a school boy captain would not make, you should have 2 or 3 around the bat and lets have some chin music they don't like it up them

i would have had the west indies out below 100 they don't have anybody who is good enough to bat and stay in when using (chin music) the Aussies would have them all out below 100 and bounced them out / you can see they don't like thing in or around chest height

anybody defending root as captain is a fool
Look at that. Bouncing them out wasn’t a great idea. As soon as we went to line and length and attacking the stumps then the wickets fell today.
 
Look at that. Bouncing them out wasn’t a great idea. As soon as we went to line and length and attacking the stumps then the wickets fell today.

Has it ever worked for us ?

One of those late innings tactics, like giving the bloke on 120 a free single & trying to just get the tailender out, which does my head in.
 
Look at that. Bouncing them out wasn’t a great idea. As soon as we went to line and length and attacking the stumps then the wickets fell today.

i missed the morning session but sounds like poor bowling than wrong idea ? this test should be ok for time so the follow on does really matter, england bat well in the 2nd innings and will have 2 days to win the test ?
 
i missed the morning session but sounds like poor bowling than wrong idea ? this test should be ok for time so the follow on does really matter, england bat well in the 2nd innings and will have 2 days to win the test ?
Not poor bowling no fella. Woakes and Archer were on the right line but too short whilst trying to bounce them out.
 
This is a stubborn Windies team, in fact. Holder is particularly stubborn. We really had them totally on the ropes yesterday at about tea time. Weren't they 100 or so for six at one point, or am I imagining that? We actually should have wiped the floor with them. I still think we should win this fairly comfortably — lead of about 400? then declare and leave ourselves with a bit more than one day to polish them off?
Pray that the Manchester weather doesn't save them…

Jeez, just seen the forecast for tomorrow! Revise downward. Lead of 300 will have to be considered ample, before declaring. Then pray that we have some spells tomorrow to bowl them, and a good part of Tuesday.
 
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Let’s hope the weather will be as shit as it’s been the last few days.
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So; what do we reckon is enough of a lead? The weather has been predictably unpredictable so far. Our meteorological experts (!) on here had us believing that Noah would be sailing down Warwick Road sometime this weekend. So, if the weather behaves, would 375 be enough of a lead? Or too much, given the Windies don't appear to have a strong batting lineup.
 
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