Cricket Thread

I hope England don't put it behind them. They were hopping mad. I don't think for one second that Stokes would have played that innings for the ages if he hadn't been. I hope they take that fury to Headingley, and channel it.
I didn’t mean put the unsportsmanlike behaviour behind them, but the decision. I would definitely be up for trying a mankad if the opportunity arose, but then withdraw the appeal when given out. But that said England have to be more professional to win. This bazball fire-in-the-belly stuff is all well and good but it’s not going to beat the Aussies trying it all through the game, it needs more finesse about our approach.
 
Also the Aussies best bowler Glen McGrath got injured and was out for the rest of the series . The Aussies had a far better bowling attack in 2005 than they do now by a country mile .

Yeah, that was huge. Think he missed both tests we won in that series with unrelated injuries. I really do despise that man. Don't know how he gets a job on the radio when he's so biased and openly anti-English.

I know stats don't say everything but if you look at the averages Cummins is as good as McGrath. Hazelwood, Starc etc are better than the likes of Brett Lee. If anything it was probably their batting line-up that was superior. They had an aura about them at the time though and the mercurial Shane Warne who took about 40 wickets in that series.
 
Also the Aussies best bowler Glen McGrath got injured and was out for the rest of the series . The Aussies had a far better bowling attack in 2005 than they do now by a country mile .
Agree to an extent. McGrath, Lee and Warne for definite. Gillespie and Kasprowicz were past their best and proved to be a weak link in that series. Green gives this attack more depth also.

The greater disparity is when you compare our respective attacks. 4 man varied pace attack at the peak of their powers and what would we give for an Ashley Giles right now!
 
Agree to an extent. McGrath, Lee and Warne for definite. Gillespie and Kasprowicz were past their best and proved to be a weak link in that series. Green gives this attack more depth also.

The greater disparity is when you compare our respective attacks. 4 man varied pace attack at the peak of their powers and what would we give for an Ashley Giles right now!
To be successful in test cricket you have to be able to bowl sides out twice in a test match . Brett Lee was incredibly fast and had the fitness and ability to bowl a lot of overs , Shane Warne was still at the peak of his powers and McGrath world number one at the time , that is some test bowling attack and scoring runs very difficult never mind keeping your wicket intact . Gillespie was very underrated mainly because of the class of Aussie bowler before him . He got his share of wickets and had a fantastic test career . Kasprowicz was the weak link I agree, raw pace but not much control and bowled less overs than the others . Still possibly the best test match bowling attack of all time ? McGrath was a huge loss I think he stood on a cricket ball while messing about in training and tore his ankle ligaments ? The rest is history as they say :)
 
Yeah, that was huge. Think he missed both tests we won in that series with unrelated injuries. I really do despise that man. Don't know how he gets a job on the radio when he's so biased and openly anti-English.

I know stats don't say everything but if you look at the averages Cummins is as good as McGrath. Hazelwood, Starc etc are better than the likes of Brett Lee. If anything it was probably their batting line-up that was superior. They had an aura about them at the time though and the mercurial Shane Warne who took about 40 wickets in that series.
Different era of cricket back then which imo makes stat’s largely incomparable. So much technology involved in the game now . Shane Warne used to bowl off the cuff how he saw it back in the day , very little technology just mind games and pure class . Cricketers at elite level now much more fitter and stronger .
 
To be successful in test cricket you have to be able to bowl sides out twice in a test match . Brett Lee was incredibly fast and had the fitness and ability to bowl a lot of overs , Shane Warne was still at the peak of his powers and McGrath world number one at the time , that is some test bowling attack and scoring runs very difficult never mind keeping your wicket intact . Gillespie was very underrated mainly because of the class of Aussie bowler before him . He got his share of wickets and had a fantastic test career . Kasprowicz was the weak link I agree, raw pace but not much control and bowled less overs than the others . Still possibly the best test match bowling attack of all time ? McGrath was a huge loss I think he stood on a cricket ball while messing about in training and tore his ankle ligaments ? The rest is history as they say :)
Don't get me wrong Gillespie was quality... but that summer was the beginning of the end for him. Pietersen took him apart in a 1 dayer before the series started and it never got any better for him.
 
Different era of cricket back then which imo makes stat’s largely incomparable. So much technology involved in the game now . Shane Warne used to bowl off the cuff how he saw it back in the day , very little technology just mind games and pure class . Cricketers at elite level now much more fitter and stronger .

I was going to mention technology. Imagine how many more wickets Warne would have got if he had the ability to review?! Miss him a lot on the coverage actually. Found his insight really interesting and whilst he was clearly Aussie he was far more balanced and likeable than the salty and bitter McGrath, Ponting et al.

I still believe their batting line-up was the main difference between this and that era though. The likes of Gilly coming in at 7 when you think you're in with a sniff and taking the game away from you in an hour. Added to the fact we correctly always thought we were inferior to them for about 20 years.
 
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We should always do this in professional sport, use the rules/laws to the maximum, in England we always try to be "nice" in sport.
Win at all costs for me if you can't win fair, even more so against scumbag Aussies.
 
To be successful in test cricket you have to be able to bowl sides out twice in a test match . Brett Lee was incredibly fast and had the fitness and ability to bowl a lot of overs , Shane Warne was still at the peak of his powers and McGrath world number one at the time , that is some test bowling attack and scoring runs very difficult never mind keeping your wicket intact . Gillespie was very underrated mainly because of the class of Aussie bowler before him . He got his share of wickets and had a fantastic test career . Kasprowicz was the weak link I agree, raw pace but not much control and bowled less overs than the others . Still possibly the best test match bowling attack of all time ? McGrath was a huge loss I think he stood on a cricket ball while messing about in training and tore his ankle ligaments ? The rest is history as they say :)

Think he only missed that test with his ankle. The other one which they lost was an elbow injury at Trent Bridge.
 
Unfortunately they are better than us. In English conditions we've generally just had the edge over them in the past 20 years but most of the those series have been competitive. Our record Down Under on the other hand is pitiful. We don't even really compete when we're in Australia and in the last 3 series away from home we're 13-0 down in test matches. Makes for horrific reading.


Australia are far better than England and they are the world's number 1 test team for a start.
But from what I have seen in the Ashes so far their camp and coaches are far more professional and have plans in place and change things up quickly, Like when they turned to use bouncers and said to England ok you like to play Bazball try hitting this,

But what I like About them is they have a setup and always play a spinner, It never changes, you know they play 3 quicks and a spinner and an allrounder, England has this Idea that the spinner can be a part-time bowler/batter and nothing else. Also, our so-called allrounder is struggling to bowl (Stokes)

Again for the 3rd test, Moeen Ail will play even knowing he's not played much test cricket in 2 years and has finger problems with the red ball,
 

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