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It's a good recovery from 5/2 (not 2/5, any Aussies reading this). The only that concern is that more than half (5 out of 9) of the wickets that have fallen have gone for less than double figures. That's not great.
 
jimharri said:
It's a good recovery from 5/2 (not 2/5, any Aussies reading this). The only that concern is that more than half (5 out of 9) of the wickets that have fallen have gone for less than double figures. That's not great.
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And plenty falling to very poor shots. Waving the bat around is not the way to a decent total.
 
jimharri said:
It's a good recovery from 5/2 (not 2/5, any Aussies reading this). The only that concern is that more than half (5 out of 9) of the wickets that have fallen have gone for less than double figures. That's not great.
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It’s surprised me that you let Aussies in here especially during the Ashes
 
KS55 said:
And plenty falling to very poor shots. Waving the bat around is not the way to a decent total.
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Yup. Pope's for example.

It seems to me as if there has been a huge explosion of being bowled playing onto the stumps. Some are just bad luck (e.g. a cut to one that keeps a bit low) or chasing quick runs for a declaration, but many seem to be a swing at a wide ball with absolutely no foot movement.

I suggest that this is a result of Sloggit cricket leading to a reliance on the eye to track, but primarily for white ball cricket. Red and pink balls behave differently and are often bowled at a different length.
 
robbieh said:
On the BBC lots of folks saying Root is the greatest ever English batsman. While he is certainly one of them, a quick look at Wally Hammond's stats suggest it's not a gimme. Here are his 6 centuries down under.

14/12/28 Australia Sydney 251
29/12/28 Australia Melbourne 200
01/02/29 Australia Adelaide 119 not out
02/12/32 Australia Sydney 112
23/02/33 Australia Sydney 101
18/12/36 Australia Sydney 231 not out
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The difference between Root and Hammond of 6500 runs and 18 centuries would be one of Englands top 20 batsmen of all time. It's basically Len Hutton's or Graham Thorpe's entire career.

The title of best English batsmen isn't decided on who scores the most centuries in Australia, the only reason it's become a focus is because it was *the one thing* Root didn't have.

He's going to retire with the most test runs of all time and probably the most test centuries. He's already Englands longest serving captain and the one with the most test wins.

I guess if you really like debating these things and comparing players 100 years apart, go for it, but by the time Root retires there won't be a conversation to be had.
 
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waspish said:
Oh yeah I mean for him to smarten up not being left out the team
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Ah, my mistake. I don't really get Broady's complaints in commentary (i've not seen aggers stuff) - he's complaining that he doesn't know what state the test match is in...but he's getting runs (which still fucking matters)

3, 53, 111, 52, 0, 31

Anyhoo, here's hoping for 100 for Archer tomorrow!
 
madloaf said:
Ah, my mistake. I don't really get Broady's complaints in commentary (i've not seen aggers stuff) - he's complaining that he doesn't know what state the test match is in...but he's getting runs (which still fucking matters)

3, 53, 111, 52, 0, 31

Anyhoo, here's hoping for 100 for Archer tomorrow!
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Broad's criticism makes sense, Brook's 111 vs India was rendered entirely meaningless by the fact he cost England the series by throwing it away playing a really stupid shotand they just needed to bat out an hour.

Being one of the most talented players on the team (as well as the vice-captain, and ODI captain!) comes with responsibilities. He doesn't just get to go out and bat for himself and get a century every 4 innings and forget what's happening around him.

Similarly, in Perth you get to the crease when the team's lost 2 very quick wickets and England are going from being miles on top of the game to it being in the balance, and then he chases a drive miles outside off stump on a duck and the game goes from being in the balance to Australia being on top.

He just needs to grow up and play for the team more and he'll end up one of England's best ever players.
 
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domalino said:
Broad's criticism makes sense, Brook's 111 vs India was rendered entirely meaningless by the fact he cost England the series by throwing it away playing a really stupid shotand they just needed to bat out an hour.

Being one of the most talented players on the team (as well as the vice-captain, and ODI captain!) comes with responsibilities. He doesn't just get to go out and bat for himself and get a century every 4 innings and forget what's happening around him.

Similarly, in Perth you get to the crease when the team's lost 2 very quick wickets and England are going from being miles on top of the game to it being in the balance, and then he chases a drive miles outside off stump on a duck and the game goes from being in the balance to Australia being on top.

He just needs to grow up and play for the team more.
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I don't agree, we're now at the point where because it's the ashes there has to be talking points. His 111 put us in a position to win. I'm not of the opinion that scoring 111 runs and getting out playing in the same way that you got the 111 runs is worse than the 5 bethell got or 2 smith got after he got out. I'm wary of the media now finding someone else to pile on. In a game like cricket one person doesn't cost you a game imo.

Not sure i want to change someone who averages 56.
 
domalino said:
The difference between Root and Hammond of 6500 runs and 18 centuries would be one of Englands top 20 batsmen of all time. It's basically Len Hutton's or Graham Thorpe's entire career.

The title of best English batsmen isn't decided on who scores the most centuries in Australia, the only reason it's become a focus is because it was *the one thing* Root didn't have.

He's going to retire with the most test runs of all time and probably the most test centuries. He's already Englands longest serving captain and the one with the most test wins.

I guess if you really like debating these things and comparing players 100 years apart, go for it, but by the time Root retires there won't be a conversation to be had.
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You do realize Hammond only played 82 tests compared with Root's 159. When you take into account exactly half of Hammond's tests were against Australia, then as now the best team in the world, and that he averages 8 more than Root then your dismissal of him shows rather a lot of recency bias.
 
robbieh said:
On the BBC lots of folks saying Root is the greatest ever English batsman. While he is certainly one of them, a quick look at Wally Hammond's stats suggest it's not a gimme. Here are his 6 centuries down under.

14/12/28 Australia Sydney 251
29/12/28 Australia Melbourne 200
01/02/29 Australia Adelaide 119 not out
02/12/32 Australia Sydney 112
23/02/33 Australia Sydney 101
18/12/36 Australia Sydney 231 not out
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Modern day batsman
 
madloaf said:
I don't agree, we're now at the point where because it's the ashes there has to be talking points. His 111 put us in a position to win. I'm not of the opinion that scoring 111 runs and getting out playing in the same way that you got the 111 runs is worse than the 5 bethell got or 2 smith got after he got out. I'm wary of the media now finding someone else to pile on. In a game like cricket one person doesn't cost you a game imo.

Not sure i want to change someone who averages 56.
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His average will be below 50 by the end of the series if he keeps thinking he's the only batsman in history who can walk out and hit off drives on 7th stump from ball 1.

I'm not of the opinion that scoring 111 runs and getting out playing in the same way that you got the 111 runs is worse than the 5 bethell got or 2 smith got after he got out
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Right but Brook isn't Smith or Bethell. This is exactly what Broad is getting at. Brook needs to look around and realise he's the best placed person to guide England to a historic series win here, not just play like he's at school and leave it to a 21 year old on home debut and the #6 in his first series against a big 3 team.

Or in Perth he needs to see how he's arrived at the crease with England on the verge of collapse, 2 wickets down in 5 minutes, in danger of losing control of a game they were well on top of, and he needs to stick around for a bit, calm things down and build a partnership for 10 overs until the ball is soft. Which is exactly what Stokes did today, so it's nothing to do with Bazball.

Root's century today is infinitely better for the team and more impactful because he stuck around after to get the tail to the end of the day. He didn't just hole out on 101 and say "Well i did my bit lads".
 
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