Crystal Palace (A) | PL | Post Match Thread

[applejuice]

Palace was very unlucky to only get 1 points.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

Could have been worse I guess!

 

[Mr. Shush]

Instead of throwing abuses like losers do when they can't win an argument, try and respond to my points below, if you have more than 2 brain cells:

"I really think gundogun is city's biggest problem. When he plays he gets in fodens and Bernardo's way. Fodens best game was when gundogun didn't start. Gundy has no energy. No creativity - can't find a through pass to save his life. Weakest link in transitions, just can't run, doesn't even pretend to run anymore. What is the point of gundogun. No goals, no assists, no control in midfield, no tempo, doesn't help with transitions. The one thing he might have though it's the highest number of successful passes - all 5 yard sideways and backwards passes The greatest manager ever has his Achilles heel and his biggest blindspot and it's Gundogun".

Eh, I think you're misreading what is going on here. I have wrote this many times but I'll write it again: if you asked Gundogan if he was good to play in every game, play for at least 75 minutes, and play in a role that was formerly Rodri's - I think he would say, no way.

Having said that, to your points. I don't think he gets in Bernardo's way. Bernardo is on the pitch because of his workrate and versatility. He goes everywhere. So sometimes he tracks back and is 5 yards away from Gundo. Sometimes Bernardo has the ball in the middle. But I don't think that's our problem.

As far as creativity, I saw alot of forward passes from Gundo today. Not just lateral or back. He went forward.

I think the point is made that he doesn't have pace. Ok, fine. But thats a criticism of the whole team. Only Doku has pace and he is often wasted on the bench. But Gundo is being asked to pivot and often times pivot high. Once a team gets passed the half line, its often panic stations because teams are running past our midfield at speed. That's not his fault.

My question is - who would you put there? Nunes? He's never played there. Lewis? No body for it. McAtee? O'Reilly? I think if Pep thought they could play there, they would already have been put there.

Gundogan has limits. I think he would be the first to admit that he's probably not suited for that position. But he's all we have until January so we're going to have to ride it out. That's my take.

 

[Yue Wollongong]

IMHO Gundo is at least better than Nunes or Rico in DM position though not his nature position nor he has the leg for it. Without Gundo this month would be even worse.
He was not brought back for doing this anyway.

 

[BuzLightyear]

I am sorry but Pep needs to have a word with himself. Team selection and subs were way off it yet again.

Yes team selections have been the problem - not just the injuries. Today was the classic case. Walker, Gundo, Rico are always selected.Why? Grealish and Doku left on the bench despite their performances against Forest. Added to this ... why does Pep leave it so late to make substitutions? He does indeed need to have a word with himself.

 

[BuzLightyear]

Got away with that....so poor al around.

Gundo is done....he is actually a hinderance and keeps losing possession

Walker has never been able to defend crosses...he now cant defend full stop.

KDB isnt able to run....he can barely get past a jog....if he has time and space he as the magic in his boots but he aint going to get the time and space he needs...

Our midfield set up and individual players are leaving the likes of Dias (who is one of only a couple who had a good game) totally exposed.

Lewis is getting away with it (from the fans point of view) as he is from the academy but he simply isnt good enough - again like Gundo he is constantly giving up possession. His goal does nothing to change the overall picture.

The biggest issue is Gundo and Lewis and right back.....all need replacing asap.

Even Bernardo payed poor today - his giveaway that led to the second goal from the corner...


Play like that the rags will beat us convincingly with the amount of pace they have in midfield and upfront.....forget about the CL we need to focus on making sure we qualify for it next year

"Play like that the rags will beat us convincingly with the amount of pace they have in midfield and upfront" Not if we play Jack and Doku. Forest dealt well with the rags. We will also beat them - if we get team selection right.

 

[Roachy]

There's an interesting article on the sky sports website from Oliver Glasner about how Palace set their game plan based around our weaknesses. Tallies up with some of what we've been seeing recently.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

There's an interesting article on the sky sports website from Oliver Glasner about how Palace set their game plan based around our weaknesses. Tallies up with some of what we've been seeing recently.

Wow, you mean some teams study their opponents ahead of playing them to see how they can try and beat them?!

What a brilliant idea, this could really be an epochal moment.

 

[Eaststander1]

The more I watch walker for their 2nd the angrier I get. Zero effort to win the ball. Lewis very unlucky to be sent off but his all round play was dreadful just not strong enough.

Yep, I agree ..... Walker had to make more of an effort to reach that cross, or to have at least tried to put the Palace player off ....... he seemed rooted to the spot as they scored.

However Josko Gvardiol can also be held at fault for quite a few goals going into our net this season too, but he seems to escape the flak that Walker gets because of his youthful age.

I can't fault Rico Lewis' for effort, he does attempt to put a shift in, and he took his goal superbly, but as you infer, he does seem to get knocked off the ball too often, or falls on the floor as he attempts to defend .... and it can leave us exposed as teams swamp us in our own penalty area, or attack us on the break .

 

[heslops barnet]

Instead of throwing abuses like losers do when they can't win an argument, try and respond to my points below, if you have more than 2 brain cells:

"I really think gundogun is city's biggest problem. When he plays he gets in fodens and Bernardo's way. Fodens best game was when gundogun didn't start. Gundy has no energy. No creativity - can't find a through pass to save his life. Weakest link in transitions, just can't run, doesn't even pretend to run anymore. What is the point of gundogun. No goals, no assists, no control in midfield, no tempo, doesn't help with transitions. The one thing he might have though it's the highest number of successful passes - all 5 yard sideways and backwards passes The greatest manager ever has his Achilles heel and his biggest blindspot and it's Gundogun".

His poor performances are beginning to overshadow his past displays and achievements