Crystal Palace (A) | PL | Post Match Thread

[TheThirdDeano]

Could have been worse I guess!

 

[Mr. Shush]

Instead of throwing abuses like losers do when they can't win an argument, try and respond to my points below, if you have more than 2 brain cells:

"I really think gundogun is city's biggest problem. When he plays he gets in fodens and Bernardo's way. Fodens best game was when gundogun didn't start. Gundy has no energy. No creativity - can't find a through pass to save his life. Weakest link in transitions, just can't run, doesn't even pretend to run anymore. What is the point of gundogun. No goals, no assists, no control in midfield, no tempo, doesn't help with transitions. The one thing he might have though it's the highest number of successful passes - all 5 yard sideways and backwards passes The greatest manager ever has his Achilles heel and his biggest blindspot and it's Gundogun".

Eh, I think you're misreading what is going on here. I have wrote this many times but I'll write it again: if you asked Gundogan if he was good to play in every game, play for at least 75 minutes, and play in a role that was formerly Rodri's - I think he would say, no way.

Having said that, to your points. I don't think he gets in Bernardo's way. Bernardo is on the pitch because of his workrate and versatility. He goes everywhere. So sometimes he tracks back and is 5 yards away from Gundo. Sometimes Bernardo has the ball in the middle. But I don't think that's our problem.

As far as creativity, I saw alot of forward passes from Gundo today. Not just lateral or back. He went forward.

I think the point is made that he doesn't have pace. Ok, fine. But thats a criticism of the whole team. Only Doku has pace and he is often wasted on the bench. But Gundo is being asked to pivot and often times pivot high. Once a team gets passed the half line, its often panic stations because teams are running past our midfield at speed. That's not his fault.

My question is - who would you put there? Nunes? He's never played there. Lewis? No body for it. McAtee? O'Reilly? I think if Pep thought they could play there, they would already have been put there.

Gundogan has limits. I think he would be the first to admit that he's probably not suited for that position. But he's all we have until January so we're going to have to ride it out. That's my take.

 

[Yue Wollongong]

IMHO Gundo is at least better than Nunes or Rico in DM position though not his nature position nor he has the leg for it. Without Gundo this month would be even worse.
He was not brought back for doing this anyway.

 

[BuzLightyear]

I am sorry but Pep needs to have a word with himself. Team selection and subs were way off it yet again.

Yes team selections have been the problem - not just the injuries. Today was the classic case. Walker, Gundo, Rico are always selected.Why? Grealish and Doku left on the bench despite their performances against Forest. Added to this ... why does Pep leave it so late to make substitutions? He does indeed need to have a word with himself.

 

[BuzLightyear]

Got away with that....so poor al around.

Gundo is done....he is actually a hinderance and keeps losing possession

Walker has never been able to defend crosses...he now cant defend full stop.

KDB isnt able to run....he can barely get past a jog....if he has time and space he as the magic in his boots but he aint going to get the time and space he needs...

Our midfield set up and individual players are leaving the likes of Dias (who is one of only a couple who had a good game) totally exposed.

Lewis is getting away with it (from the fans point of view) as he is from the academy but he simply isnt good enough - again like Gundo he is constantly giving up possession. His goal does nothing to change the overall picture.

The biggest issue is Gundo and Lewis and right back.....all need replacing asap.

Even Bernardo payed poor today - his giveaway that led to the second goal from the corner...


Play like that the rags will beat us convincingly with the amount of pace they have in midfield and upfront.....forget about the CL we need to focus on making sure we qualify for it next year

"Play like that the rags will beat us convincingly with the amount of pace they have in midfield and upfront" Not if we play Jack and Doku. Forest dealt well with the rags. We will also beat them - if we get team selection right.

 

[Roachy]

There's an interesting article on the sky sports website from Oliver Glasner about how Palace set their game plan based around our weaknesses. Tallies up with some of what we've been seeing recently.

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

There's an interesting article on the sky sports website from Oliver Glasner about how Palace set their game plan based around our weaknesses. Tallies up with some of what we've been seeing recently.

Wow, you mean some teams study their opponents ahead of playing them to see how they can try and beat them?!

What a brilliant idea, this could really be an epochal moment.

 

[Eaststander1]

The more I watch walker for their 2nd the angrier I get. Zero effort to win the ball. Lewis very unlucky to be sent off but his all round play was dreadful just not strong enough.

Yep, I agree ..... Walker had to make more of an effort to reach that cross, or to have at least tried to put the Palace player off ....... he seemed rooted to the spot as they scored.

However Josko Gvardiol can also be held at fault for quite a few goals going into our net this season too, but he seems to escape the flak that Walker gets because of his youthful age.

I can't fault Rico Lewis' for effort, he does attempt to put a shift in, and he took his goal superbly, but as you infer, he does seem to get knocked off the ball too often, or falls on the floor as he attempts to defend .... and it can leave us exposed as teams swamp us in our own penalty area, or attack us on the break .

 

[heslops barnet]

Instead of throwing abuses like losers do when they can't win an argument, try and respond to my points below, if you have more than 2 brain cells:

"I really think gundogun is city's biggest problem. When he plays he gets in fodens and Bernardo's way. Fodens best game was when gundogun didn't start. Gundy has no energy. No creativity - can't find a through pass to save his life. Weakest link in transitions, just can't run, doesn't even pretend to run anymore. What is the point of gundogun. No goals, no assists, no control in midfield, no tempo, doesn't help with transitions. The one thing he might have though it's the highest number of successful passes - all 5 yard sideways and backwards passes The greatest manager ever has his Achilles heel and his biggest blindspot and it's Gundogun".

His poor performances are beginning to overshadow his past displays and achievements

 

[waspish]

Watched the Lewis second yellow and proves be be honest as a player is a waste of fucking time! Lewis jumped up straightaway limping while the palace player who could broke Lewis ankle rolled around on the floor at fucking cheat! Then that Hughes when he knew we was dominate in the final 1/3 looked at I think Gundo and thought I know I'll run into him dive hold my head! Why referees don't understand "the game" is baffling there is so much fake diving cheating and nothing is done!

 

[Blue Maverick]

Watched the Lewis second yellow and proves be be honest as a player is a waste of fucking time! Lewis jumped up straightaway limping while the palace player who could broke Lewis ankle rolled around on the floor at fucking cheat! Then that Hughes when he knew we was dominate in the final 1/3 looked at I think Gundo and thought I know I'll run into him dive hold my head! Why referees don't understand "the game" is baffling there is so much fake diving cheating and nothing is done!

Anyone holding their head goes off for 10mins for a concussion assessment, they do it in the nfl, if they want to bring a concussion sub on for that 10 mins so be it, but I reckon most would be up on their feet straight away, that twat last night deserved an Oscar and quite rightly the ref left him there, that albino twat needs a retrospective yellow as well for his faking it.

 

[Fordyboy46]

It seems to me that the players have taken on board Pep's persistent moaning about our injury situation and are now feeling sorry for themselves. It is what it is and if Pep would just give some of the kids a go every now and then some of these older pros could be given a rest and not be flogged to death.
We may aswell name three subs on the bench at the minute because Pep has no intention of ever starting Wright, O'reilly, Mcatee etc in a prem game, they're just making the numbers up

 

[Whether or not]

Yes team selections have been the problem - not just the injuries. Today was the classic case. Walker, Gundo, Rico are always selected.Why? Grealish and Doku left on the bench despite their performances against Forest. Added to this ... why does Pep leave it so late to make substitutions? He does indeed need to have a word with himself.

I obviously don’t know for sure, but I suspect that Grealish and Doku were benched at Palace because of the upcoming games at Juve and against the rags. They are both returning from injury and it would potentially have been 4 games in 10 days. It isn’t just the players who are clearly out injured, we have a number of others who are 80% at best.

 

[bluemoon32]

Watched the Lewis second yellow and proves be be honest as a player is a waste of fucking time! Lewis jumped up straightaway limping while the palace player who could broke Lewis ankle rolled around on the floor at fucking cheat! Then that Hughes when he knew we was dominate in the final 1/3 looked at I think Gundo and thought I know I'll run into him dive hold my head! Why referees don't understand "the game" is baffling there is so much fake diving cheating and nothing is done!

I'd rather have a go at the cheating players ( ours included) than the refs, trying to constantly determine if players are cheating, are they really hurt or not in todays super fast games, must be horrendously difficult.
The vast majority of players deserve fucking Oscars nowadays & it's encouraged by many managers

 

[waspish]

It seems to me that the players have taken on board Pep's persistent moaning about our injury situation and are now feeling sorry for themselves. It is what it is and if Pep would just give some of the kids a go every now and then some of these older pros could be given a rest and not be flogged to death.
We may aswell name three subs on the bench at the minute because Pep has no intention of ever starting Wright, O'reilly, Mcatee etc in a prem game, they're just making the numbers up

Don't see it we battled hard yesterday just look at the km we ran! Problem is players not 100.% pro managing a squad with 3 games a week who have been out for long still have injuries or worried about getting a worse injury! Why Grealish Doku didn't start! Just think pep started them and because they it 100% get injured out for a month!

We have to suck it up because if not going to get any better anytime soon

 

[s1ty m]

Nunes is better than Philips. That’s the kindest word I can say about him. Not a bad player when good players are around him or against a weak side. but when facing a strong side, he tends to disapear. like, deliberately hide from invovlement.

Graham Baker used to do that, always hiding. Nunes drifts around. And hides.

 

[Craig]

You think we didn’t?

Er, we were good against Forest with some very good individual performances. Far from it yesterday with probably only Dias who you could say was good.

 

[Father Paul]

His poor performances are beginning to overshadow his past displays and achievements

Which is a bit sad really when you consider those major achievements. He will end up mainly associated with what is becoming a train wreck of a season rather then for the glorious moments he brought us previously.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Someone commented in the match thread that Nunes is having a good season. I'm on a different planet to that opinion. He's fuckimg dismal. At one point today, he trod of the fucking ball and it dribbled out for a throw-in. Comically awful. Sure, good cross for a goal, but is that it? If we are going down the path of this calibre of tart, you can enjoy boring bullshit mid-table football for as long as players like him pull on our shirt. Fucking shocking player. You can throw that beach footballer Savinho into that mix too, fuck me he's a million miles away. I could swing for the scouting and procurement department, who the fuck saw talent in them?

I wouldn't say he's having a good season, but he's clearly having a better one. Much more involved and clearly making more of a contribution. He's like Jack - stick 'em on the wing and yer curtail half of their talents. They aren't wingers. I think that Jack and Mateus never played on the wing for their previous clubs.

 

[willipp]

Just seen the highlights after seeing nothing yesterday. First take is how the fuck does Rico get sent off when he was the one fouled? Also why hasn’t VAR looked at it and given a penalty to
us?

Secondly Walker is a fucking liability. He sees right across the line on their first goal and does nothing to try and play him off even though he can see it clearly. Second goal he doesn’t even try and challenge for the ball, just totally lets him have a free head.