Crystal Palace (H) - Sat 27th Aug 15:00 | Pre-Match Thread

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paulchapo said:
Right what's everyone's opinion on this inverted full backs tactic? It worked against West Ham but was exposed to great effect by Newcastle when for quite a period they were overrunning us with every attack. I fear similar on Saturday against the pace of Palace's attacks if we play the same way.
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Not a fan - didn't really like it that much in the West Ham game as I thought it inhibited the team but was carried out to mitigate a lack of match sharpness. Inverted fullbacks and inverted wingers is just a bit dull.
 
Ajm1985 said:
Not a fan - didn't really like it that much in the West Ham game as I thought it inhibited the team but was carried out to mitigate a lack of match sharpness. Inverted fullbacks and inverted wingers is just a bit dull.
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Moyes said it took them by surprise but I think teams with pace have it sussed now and will continue expose us. Bournemouth were so poor that game doesn't count.
 
paulchapo said:
Moyes said it took them by surprise but I think teams with pace have it sussed now and will continue expose us. Bournemouth were so poor that game doesn't count.
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Yeah I agree - I think the Newcastle press was exceptional and the players didn't do enough to adapt in game to counteract it. They were quite sloppy on the ball, but Walker/Stones were often without passing options.

I get that it's to put Gundogan closer to Haaland (which has been effective), but KDB plays more like a 10, with the RW on the touch line. If we lose possession, Walker is inside and has a decent bit of space to cover - that plus a pacey winger is asking for trouble.

Palmer's goal tonight is what I'd like to see more of - overlapping player cutting the ball back - and Haaland would lap it up.
 
This will be a tricky game, we struggled against Newcastles pace on Sunday, and Palace have a few quick and tricky players who will get at us, we need to be switched on for the full 90 on Saturday
 
Thought Pep may have played some different formations last night but it looks like we're going shit or bust 2-3-5 all season.

It's a great formation against 75-80% of teams but if we struggle in 25% of games with it, it'll be a long slog until June.
 
paulchapo said:
Right what's everyone's opinion on this inverted full backs tactic? It worked against West Ham but was exposed to great effect by Newcastle when for quite a period they were overrunning us with every attack. I fear similar on Saturday against the pace of Palace's attacks if we play the same way.
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Potentially useful against teams that try to play through the middle, as it gives us extra bodies in defensive midfield and allows the attacking midfield players to push further forward to where they're most dangerous, without leaving our CDM exposed. Gives our centre-backs more easy forward passing options and opens up good angles for build-up play.

Potentially disastrous against teams with fast, strong wing play, as it leaves gaps down our sides with just our wingers (none of whom are particularly defensively minded) to defend, and gives the opponents a head start against our full-backs trying to run back into the traditional fullback position.

Personally I prefer our previous tactic of inverting one fullback and using the other to form a back 3 with the centre backs. That plays to the strengths of our first choice fullbacks, allowing Cancel to play on the front foot and spark attacks and Walker to help solidify the defence.
 
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Well we've been 2 down in 4 out of the last 6 games that matter. If that happens on Saturday I suspect we wont get it back against this lot.
 
Going to be a difficult game this. Hopefully we can score first so that Palace have to come at us and we get a more open game. Team pretty much picks itself with the injuries. Only question mark is over Bernardo or Mahrez on the right.

Ederson
Walker
Stones
Dias
Cancelo
Rodri
Gundogan
De Bruyne
Bernardo
Foden
Haaland
 
blue b4 the moon said:
Thought Pep may have played some different formations last night but it looks like we're going shit or bust 2-3-5 all season.

It's a great formation against 75-80% of teams but if we struggle in 25% of games with it, it'll be a long slog until June.
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I think Pep will maintain the inverted full-backs because he knows most teams can only hurt us on counter-attacks. Personally i dont think we have the players for it.

The problem is both Gundogan and Kdb play high up, one has to drop deeper or Bernardo has to play. Cancelo pushes forward too and Foden and Bernardo (suprisingly) on Sunday were poor tracking the opposistion wingers. Only Rodri and Walker were playing in CM.

We should have gone 2 nil up againts Newcastle and no-one would be talking about formations.
 
Most people seem to be anticipating this game with trepidation. I see it as a very exciting prospect and really looking forward to it.
Would much rather be watching a game with jeopardy than the stroll v Bournmouth, though some of that passing in the first half would have killed Most sides.
If we don't get a man sent off in the first 30 minutes think we will be fine.
 
I’ve absolutely no idea why there’s so much doom and gloom on this website.

I keep reading how short we are and how bad things are and how the squad is somehow worse than last season.

I think people saying that are fucking misery guts.

We’re stronger than last season, we’ve got fucking Erling Haaland up front for crying out loud and KDB in the best form in world football.

All I see and hear is problems problems problems from people posting on here.

I just don’t get the negativity!

Caragher has come out and just said Liverpool (and no one else for that matter) are even close to us.

Arsenal fan who lives round the corner from me has said todsy he’s Buzzin for their season but expects us to walk the league.

Our rivals think more highly of us than some of our own fans for fook sake!

Cheer up you miserable sods!
 
Bluewars said:
I think Pep will maintain the inverted full-backs because he knows most teams can only hurt us on counter-attacks. Personally i dont think we have the players for it.

The problem is both Gundogan and Kdb play high up, one has to drop deeper or Bernardo has to play. Cancelo pushes forward too and Foden and Bernardo (suprisingly) on Sunday were poor tracking the opposistion wingers. Only Rodri and Walker were playing in CM.

We should have gone 2 nil up againts Newcastle and no-one would be talking about formations.
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The thing with Bernado is he’s obviously a brilliant footballer, also very tenacious with exceptional running power which works fantastically in midfield where he’s fairly quick over a few yards. However, one thing he doesn’t have is pace so i’m unsure how he was supposed to get back and help against rapid counter attacks when starting 20 yards higher up the pitch on the right side against genuine pace.
 
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