Crystal Palace (N) | FA Cup Final | Post Match Thread

[meltonblue]

Is that so? I didn't know that.
In theory then, a keeper could handle the ball anywhere on the field with no sanction (as long as it wasn't stopping a goalscoring opportunity), yet an outfield player would concede a free kick.
Forgive my confusion?!

From VAR, the outfield player wouldn’t concede a free kick either, that would be only if the onfield refs give it. VAR would give it (or should!) if it’s a red card offence.

 

[Sky Blue]

I have never seen so many Palace shirts about the place talk about plastic fans lol

They still won't sell out their allocation at our place next season. Never fucking do.

 

[moomba]

The overhaul may happen but if wecreplace outgoing with inferior quality then that's a backwards step...we won't get high quality players with out CL

Of course we will.

 

[Toney’s bookie]

Hard disagree. We won that game because they failed to show up. This season has been appalling. The football is dire, we play at one mile per hour and never try to do anything but pass it.

Notwithstanding the worst VAR decision ever, that will have been the easiest final for Palace, we don't move the ball at any speed or with any purpose. It's garbage and Peps too about giving the old guard a final send off rather than what's best for the club.

The FA cup final last season showed how our standards had been dumped. The players going on the piss for a week before a cup final against united was criminal. The treble winning side didn’t go on the lash before the FA cup final or CL final.

It showed how the club collectively thought ‘job done’ and the drive and push to win has been replaced with going through the motions. Until we get back that hunger (which means replacing the old guard and playing a style which is competitive with how football is evolving) then we are going to struggle.

The idea that we are guaranteed to bounce back next season is wishful thinking is the same attitude that has left united where they are.

When people talk about a sense of entitlement, I can absolutely live with no trophies this season or a phase of transition. Entitlement is thinking the good days will automatically continue or return without having to try and that is the biggest danger.

 

[paulchapo]

Other top teams seem to know how to break those kind of tactics down & win.

So have we in the past. No other team in the league has teams defend like they do against us, none. Not Liverpool or Arsenal, teams play more expansive against them.

 

[chickaroon]

Easily pleased.

Yes.

 

[Nellies left peg]

So have we in the past. No other team in the league has teams defend like they do against us, none. Not Liverpool or Arsenal, teams play more expansive against them.

Exactly, the dippers never seem to have teams camped in their own box and most teams play a ridiculously high line against them playing right into their hands

 

[Grassland Blue]

From VAR, the outfield player wouldn’t concede a free kick either, that would be only if the onfield refs give it. VAR would give it (or should!) if it’s a red card offence.

Thanks for clarifying that.
Am I correct in saying that the ref could have given Henderson a yellow card for the handball, even though var had deemed it not to be a red?

 

[Bluearmy]

Of course we will.

Not a chance!! Wirtz for a start wouldn't come…

 

[RayCTID]

Not a chance!! Wirtz for a start wouldn't come…

If Pep did leave in the summer then we wouldn't sign Wirtz.

 

[meltonblue]

Thanks for clarifying that.
Am I correct in saying that the ref could have given Henderson a yellow card for the handball, even though var had deemed it not to be a red?

Only if he’d have given it on the pitch, not after VAR intervention. It’s either a red card or just play on.

 

[Father Paul]

I keep seeing and hearing assertions that we must win both remaining League matches to have any chance of making the top 5. But look at the arithmetic. If we win and draw that takes us to 69 points and a minimum GD of 25. Forest are then out of the running because their maximum points total is 68. But also Villa would need to win their final game 16-0 to match us on points and GD, moving ahead on goals scored. Is that likely? So two of the current seven in contention should finish behind us if we win and draw. Not that there's any guarantee of 4 points, far from it!

The Lino had a perfect view or as near perfect as possible and bottled it. Twatwell should never referee a top class game again. Week after week either on the pitch or on VAR he is shockingly inept

He should never of reffed a game after his reinterpretation of the offside law a couple of years back. The prick can't retire a moment to soon.

 

[Father Paul]

Have we got Pep for two more seasons?
Just over a month ago, we put five past Palace, after going two down, in fact nearly three nil down.
Yesterday was one of those recent classic examples of how, with our current creative and goal scoring ability’s, we wouldn’t score in a month.
We should and could have won, Aguero would have put two of our attempts, maybe three, in the roof of the net, not at the keeper to make a save.
Haaland isn’t technically gifted as a player and, strange that our last two games whilst he’s played, we haven’t scored?!
Too many players are a shadow of themselves, too old, slow and why the fuck didn’t Haaland take the pen?!
I’m led to believe that Foden has some anxiety and mental health issues, he wears a comfort bandage on his wrist.
He looked scared yesterday after coming on, didn’t want the ball.
We can bleat about the handball decision all we want, it is what it is, we should be out scoring teams after conceding a good goal like their winner, we got caught out, badly, again!
Akanji and Dias couldn’t make an effective or incisive pass as long as they’ve got a hole in their arse, they dither on the ball, get too far up the pitch and leave us at risk.
Similarly Guardiol and O’Riely, who looked devoid of confidence and overawed after recent good games.
Savinho is the least Brazilian looking Brazilian I’ve ever seen, worst player on the pitch, by a country mile.
KDB unfortunately has gone, his passing was woeful, loads of effort, but failed miserably.
Doku is a headless chicken, Haaland, what does he bring? fuck all if he doesn’t move, get in goal scoring positions or get service.
Bernardo was probably our best player, but again lacked creativity and incisiveness.
Marmoush, he’s taken 4 pens before and missed three, huffed and puffed, looked lost.
When we’re bringing Gundog on and a kid we’ve never seen, who to be fair, got in some good positions, looked lively and gave them something to think about, we can safely say we’re at the end, big rebuild and blood some more kids a bit quicker.
We might see some tinkering in America, because Pep has got the biggest challenge of his career.
After the efforts of the last 6 or 7 years, the squad is physically and, now mentally breaking down.
They’re just fucked, some too old to get through it and we try to do what we once did, but can’t, with the odd exception.
Pep will need to change a little, the way we play next season, or we’ll have a similar one.
If Pep has shown his arse any this last 18 months, because it all started going pear shaped half way through last season, earlier for a couple of players, then it’s not buying the replacements we needed, in the last couple of windows.
Let’s see what summer brings, who he takes to the pre season Club World cup bollox and, cross everything and he finds the perfect answer for next season.
If we have a stinker again, by our standards, then it’s bye bye I think, but who’s lined up to replace Pep and his team, it a massive, no, humongous issue, or we could find ourselves in a bit of a pickle for a while.
So, Wharton ran the show, get him signed up, great kid, if we don’t go for him, we need a good slap.
We need a Kompany type captain, we need a KDB and Silva, we need an Aguero, we need a Pep tweak that works and makes opponents change tactics against us or struggle to defend.

We ain't getting half of what we need, in the upcoming window anyway. I would rather buy nobody than waste another 200 or 300 million on dross.

 

[Grassland Blue]

Only if he’d have given it on the pitch, not after VAR intervention. It’s either a red card or just play on.

Ok.
Thanks.
Then the ref and lino both missed the initial alleged offence, var got involved and decided there was no offence and the initial inaction by the ref was correct.
Hmmm.

 

[WesthoughtonJohn]

This has all the signs of Pellegrini's last season in charge. Players downed tools with results and performances extremely scratchy, and total apathy in the stands

I do wonder at times if some have grown tired of Pep's intensity to be honest.
There's definitely something very wrong, and we don't have a clear summer to reset it (which I think is needed)

 

[Postman Pep]

He should never of reffed a game after his reinterpretation of the offside law a couple of years back. The prick can't retire a moment to soon.

Career should have been over after this

 

[chickaroon]

Wondered why he didn’t feature. Was he injured?

He was ill.

 

[uwe rosler 28]

No luck all season from the moment the keeper some how managed to stay on the pitch I think we all knew the outcome of the game. Can't fault the players effort but the quality is lacking big time. Doku for how good he ìs a beating a man his final ball is poor kev is finished at the top level he's a yard off it which in this league is too much. Savio has gone backwards after a really promising start grealish and bernardo offer nothing in an attacking threat. Haaland looks in need of a good summer off and he really needs to improve his hold up play which is poor at best. And foden well I hope it's just an off season but his dip is a big worry. Still think pep is the man to find the solutions hopefully he can get us playing a lot quicker next season it's too easy for teams to get everyone behind the ball when we play so slow.

 

[Grassland Blue]

if we are facing next season visiting and hosting York City then we need to worry

I want to play the Black Cats personally.
Sound lads they are.
We bought some good players off them in the past AND they did the Poznan in 2012!

 

[meltonblue]

Ok.
Thanks.
Then the ref and lino both missed the initial alleged offence, var got involved and decided there was no offence and the initial inaction by the ref was correct.
Hmmm.

Not quite, VAR didn’t decide there was no offence, they decided there was no red card offence. They knew it was an offence and the ref got it wrong on the pitch, but it wasn’t justifying a red card in their view (which was clearly wrong!)